COVID - Sweden not locking down

Does anyone have any current stats on how Sweden is doing now?

Precious Roy - can you reply to the question about your Cop friend?

Sweden is, as a rule, not testing. You need to be at At Risk person, displaying symptoms, to qualify for testing. So no one really knows what the numbers are. The majority of Western countries have the same policy.

Sweden has a culture built on collective responsibility. People, by their nature, are generally socially responsible. So when the Prime Minister goes on national television and says ”it is time for adults to be adults”, then that is what the bulk of the population does. A previous poster pointed out the most people have chosen to social distance by themselves. Swedes are clever people. Boring, but clever.

The virus in Sweden is, for now, easier to contain. The bulk of the population lives in a very small area of the country, which is where the virus problems are. Sweden is geographically long, so restricting domestic travel reduces the risk outside of the hot spots. It is almost impossible to get a flight to anywhere north of Stockholm at the moment.

Sweden has an extremely efficient military force, specialising in the defence of Sweden. Their skills are in logistics, medical, and mobility. They have been able to move directly in to the fight almost same-day, with field hospitals and military ambulances.

Swedes are all generally in good health, with low levels of respiratory dieases. This could be attributed to the continued use in Sweden of snus, meaning less smokers. A disgusting habit, but might just save them

Sweden may well lose the battle here but, if any nation has the best unintentional preparation, it would be Sweden.

One thing stands clear! We did the right decision to let our pre- and elementary shools to be open. Why ! Studies of over 100000 cases infected in China , USA and Italy shows that children will seldom get infected by covid-19 because they have not completed the enzyme that the virus needs to infect . By the way, we are not in general boring.))) Good news comes in now! The infected people needing intensive care now starts to decrease!It really looks as our leaders and medical experts choose the right way to go . Cheers!

- The Magic Wizard Coach J.S -

Thanks, Swedes, for agreeing to experiment on your own children in the middle of a pandemic. Hope that works out for you. We'll be watching what the results are.

PS. Please be sure to let us know if kids can still infect grandma after trading germs at school if they aren't showing symptoms themselves. We'd all like to know that. Thanks! We'll check back in a month.

the rest of the world wrote:

Thanks, Swedes, for agreeing to experiment on your own children in the middle of a pandemic. Hope that works out for you. We'll be watching what the results are.

PS. Please be sure to let us know if kids can still infect grandma after trading germs at school if they aren't showing symptoms themselves. We'd all like to know that. Thanks! We'll check back in a month.

If Grandma is in their household I would hope they would do everything that they can to keep those coming in and out of their home away from her. How is that different from a U.S. family dynamic that also has Grandma in the household helping raise the kids or babysit the kids and those U.S. kids are in the house all day since all school are shut down??

the rest of the world wrote:

Thanks, Swedes, for agreeing to experiment on your own children in the middle of a pandemic. Hope that works out for you. We'll be watching what the results are.

PS. Please be sure to let us know if kids can still infect grandma after trading germs at school if they aren't showing symptoms themselves. We'd all like to know that. Thanks! We'll check back in a month.

Ok, let’s do that.

We all know what the US will look like in one month

We all saw the movies

zxcvzcxv wrote:

Well, Sweden is not very densely populated outside the big cities and had a late start on the pandemic, but the fact that they went from 7 cases to over 3,000 in a month and that they went from 1 death to 105 in the past two weeks does not suggest this will end well.

Exactly.

They are doing little testing compared to Australia, Italy, Germany , Norway, NY, Washington and even USA as a whole.

They are finding 102 per thousand tests (yes they may be selective) and that suggests a 5 times higher rate.

They have 110 deaths which suggests that the infections may be 5 to 8 times higher.

Short answer, they are not measuring enough/under reporting.

I am Sam wrote:

zxcvzcxv wrote:

Well, Sweden is not very densely populated outside the big cities and had a late start on the pandemic, but the fact that they went from 7 cases to over 3,000 in a month and that they went from 1 death to 105 in the past two weeks does not suggest this will end well.

Exactly.

They are doing little testing compared to Australia, Italy, Germany , Norway, NY, Washington and even USA as a whole.

They are finding 102 per thousand tests (yes they may be selective) and that suggests a 5 times higher rate.

They have 110 deaths which suggests that the infections may be 5 to 8 times higher.

Short answer, they are not measuring enough/under reporting.

but isn't the death rate the ultimate concern?

the rest of the world wrote:

Thanks, Swedes.

for proving the alarmists wrong that their lockdowns are what is stopping the virus everywhere. Declining throughout most of Europe, peaking in the US.

But get ready for a torrent of abuse. They view all contrary facts as hate speech.

Sweden recorded their first case on Jan 30, the same day as Spain. The Covid 19 death rate in Sweden, which is a real number, is 11/mil. That tracks favourably against countries of similar demographic, employing different control techniques. So it is a little early to be climbing all over Sweden just yet. I would recommend that you focus more on helping your own country and a little less about worrying about someone else’s.

I can asure you we keep Grandmas and grandpas separated from the kids to protect the older. Besides the scientists tells children seldom gets the virus because the enzym needed for infection is not developed in same rate as adults.

Here is a plot showing confirmed cases per million population for Sweden, plus US and several other reference countries that represent a range of outcomes: Spain, Italy and Hubei representing the "worst case," South Korea representing an optimistic "middle case" and Singapore and Hong Kong representing absolute "best case" scenarios:

https://ibb.co/hgB0crM

Sweden has sailed past South Korea and continues to trend upward. Whether / when this trend will slow down remains to be seen. This may very well be the case that proves the effectiveness of social distancing, if this continues to track upward longer than for other countries.

BTW, I've set a common "day 0" at the point where each curve passed 10 per million to give a basis for comparison. There are many different ways to compare these data. The proof will be in the pudding. Days and weeks ahead will tell the full story. At this stage we are all watching and guessing. Some of us are watching more closely than others, and some are guessing more wildly...

Sad, Frustrated Coach wrote:

but isn't the death rate the ultimate concern?

Yes, and that's 11 per million, which is higher than USA's at 8 per million. Germany is at 6 per million, although rumors are their numbers are being suppressed by trying to list any other condition than the virus as the cause of death.

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

I can asure you we keep Grandmas and grandpas separated from the kids to protect the older. Besides the scientists tells children seldom gets the virus because the enzym needed for infection is not developed in same rate as adults.

So shouldn't kids be at school then?

Sad, Frustrated Coach wrote:

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

I can asure you we keep Grandmas and grandpas separated from the kids to protect the older. Besides the scientists tells children seldom gets the virus because the enzym needed for infection is not developed in same rate as adults.

So shouldn't kids be at school then?

From what I’ve read, school is in session except for HS and university

interested reader wrote:

Here is a plot showing confirmed cases per million population for Sweden, plus US and several other reference countries that represent a range of outcomes: Spain, Italy and Hubei representing the "worst case," South Korea representing an optimistic "middle case" and Singapore and Hong Kong representing absolute "best case" scenarios:

https://ibb.co/hgB0crM

Sweden has sailed past South Korea and continues to trend upward. Whether / when this trend will slow down remains to be seen. This may very well be the case that proves the effectiveness of social distancing, if this continues to track upward longer than for other countries.

Looks like Sweden is performing better than most

Regardless, deaths per population unit rather than confirmed cases per population unit would be more accurate statistic, as there are differences in testing approaches and capacities

still here? wrote:

Sad, Frustrated Coach wrote:

So shouldn't kids be at school then?

From what I’ve read, school is in session except for HS and university

Are you commenting about kids in school in Sweden or the U.S.?