COVID - Sweden not locking down

Iran has not locked down as well and they have a steady 150 deaths per days, not the crazy 900 deaths of Italy or Spain.

In two or three weeks, the lockdown nazis will be viciously attacking whoever mentions these facts as they try to claim credit for the inevitable corona-fizzle.

How's your prediction of 2500 by the end of the month doing with 120,000 cases already in the U.S.?

Well, Sweden is not very densely populated outside the big cities and had a late start on the pandemic, but the fact that they went from 7 cases to over 3,000 in a month and that they went from 1 death to 105 in the past two weeks does not suggest this will end well.

Bad Wigins wrote:

In two or three weeks, the lockdown nazis will be viciously attacking whoever mentions these facts as they try to claim credit for the inevitable corona-fizzle.

you've been calling for a corona fizzle for months....you've been wrong everytime

yet, once it does slow down you will jump in and try to claim "SEEEE!!!!! I TOLLLDD YA!!"

if you make 50 straight wrong predictions you don't get to claim credit for the 51st.

also, you definition of 'fizzling' seems to be sliding weekly.

Assist feel wrote:

Iran has not locked down as well and they have a steady 150 deaths per days, not the crazy 900 deaths of Italy or Spain.

The 'steady' level of their figures over the last few weeks doesn't quite seem right.

Either it should be going one way or another.

Sweden, Germany and S Korea have avoided lockdowns because they were testing vigorously very early on. That allowed them to quarantine positives who were asymptotic or just presenting mild symptoms. In the US, testing has been limited to more acute case due to the shortage of testing kits. That allowed the virus to spread unchecked. That is still the case even as positives are surging. I know a cop who came home feeling crappy. He called in to get tested. They said no test until he has a fever. He went back to work the next day. If he ends up being positive, he may infect dozens who then go home and infect hundreds. So, all Sweden shows is that you are screwed if you do not test early and often.

zxcvzcxv wrote:

Well, Sweden is not very densely populated outside the big cities and had a late start on the pandemic, but the fact that they went from 7 cases to over 3,000 in a month and that they went from 1 death to 105 in the past two weeks does not suggest this will end well.

What do you mean by not end well?

trollism wrote:

Assist feel wrote:

Iran has not locked down as well and they have a steady 150 deaths per days, not the crazy 900 deaths of Italy or Spain.

The 'steady' level of their figures over the last few weeks doesn't quite seem right.

Either it should be going one way or another.

Why?

It is called "flattening the curve" or "reaching a plateau". That's the goal of every country right now.

Honestly the only sustainable solution. Countries who closes schools; when will they open?

The strategy in Sweden is to flatten the curve and maintain a functioning society while the healthcare sector has time to prepare, which they are currently doing.

Countries who shut down, what is the strategy..? Opening up 3 weeks later and then shutting down when it pops up again? Rinse and repeat until herd immunity is reached?

Precious Roy wrote:

I know a cop who came home feeling crappy. He called in to get tested. They said no test until he has a fever. He went back to work the next day. If he ends up being positive, he may infect dozens who then go home and infect hundreds. So, all Sweden shows is that you are screwed if you do not test early and often.

How would he infect dozens? What is he doing to transfer/spread the virus as a police officer while doing his job that is any different from the police officers that don't have the virus, or don't know they have the virus, yet are all trying to be overly cautious?

So far, it looks like our government together with our medical expertise has chosen the best route,and still maintain the function of as normal a community as possible , and finally reach a decreasing spread of covid-19 . Our control infection experts considers that after a while this

will give sufficient immunity to the population and the infection should subside. Sweden`s former chief infection expert ,professor Johan Giesecke , predicts it will calm down for Sweden in May. Now we have 10 dead per one million residents compared to countries as Belgium, France , Netherlands and Switzerland with about 30-40 dead per million residents.And compared to Italy and Spain ( 166 and 124 dead per one million residents) we have so far managed us relatively well.

- Swedish Magic Wizard Coach J.S -

therminator88 wrote:

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Countries who shut down, what is the strategy..? Opening up 3 weeks later and then shutting down when it pops up again? Rinse and repeat until herd immunity is reached?

How many years will that take?

What’s interesting with Sweden is that they have 105 deaths (equivalent to 3,400 deaths in US terms when adjusting for pop which is 32X less). The US has 1,997 deaths not so much less

Sweden has 3,447 total cases, which is equal to 110K in US terms (US has 120K cases)

New cases today in Sweden is 378 cases, which is equal to 12K in US terms (US had 16K)

So Sweden is a little bit ahead in terms of deaths, behind in terms of total cases and falling way behind in new cases. While schools remain open.

Why?

Yes, try to convince Ms Jones to send her kids back to school now. Good luck.

Try to ask your labor force to come back to work when the kids are at home and there is no day care. Good luck.

Try to ask your labor force to come back to work when they know that Ms Smith is sending her kids to school (but you are not because your parents are home schooling your kids as you are too scared to send back your kid to school)

People are now asking their spouses to strip in the garage (outside clothe) after they go to the grocery store. Take a shower. Then put on their inside clothe.

Everybody is trying to outdo their neighbour in terms of paranoia.

Sweden did the right thing by not giving in. It was surely very difficult. Good for them.

therminator88 wrote:

Honestly the only sustainable solution. Countries who closes schools; when will they open?

The strategy in Sweden is to flatten the curve and maintain a functioning society while the healthcare sector has time to prepare, which they are currently doing.

Countries who shut down, what is the strategy..? Opening up 3 weeks later and then shutting down when it pops up again? Rinse and repeat until herd immunity is reached?

You are very correct! The Swedish tactic is to reach herd immunity to avoid "the second wave " that even the Chinese experts warning about.

-Swedish Magic Wizard Coach J.S -

Precious Roy wrote:

Sweden, Germany and S Korea have avoided lockdowns because they were testing vigorously very early on. That allowed them to quarantine positives who were asymptotic

Ha ha ha - They were testing asymptomatics "very early on"? That is absolutely brilliant! Please do tell us more about how exactly they were doing that...

This probably end like the "herd immunity thing" the UK tried for a couple of days.

Not good!

My friends in Sweden tell me it's not that different from countries with government-imposed lockdown in reality. Hardly anybody goes to a restaurant anymore. So it seems to me, from anecdotal evidence, that effectively the difference to "lockdown countries" is not that big. We'll see how it plays out.

Bad Wigins wrote:

In two or three weeks, the lockdown nazis will be viciously attacking whoever mentions these facts as they try to claim credit for the inevitable corona-fizzle.

You’ve lost absolutely all credibility with your ridiculous predictions.

Sit down and shut up. No one takes you seriously.

above_average_joe wrote:

My friends in Sweden tell me it's not that different from countries with government-imposed lockdown in reality. Hardly anybody goes to a restaurant anymore. So it seems to me, from anecdotal evidence, that effectively the difference to "lockdown countries" is not that big. We'll see how it plays out.

Are people sending their kids to school?