Why has the worlds #1 capitalistic country failed miserably in it's corona virus response

Karl Marx wrote:

First of all it's not real capitalism.

It's socialized corporatism.

Healthcare is so expensive and inefficient in the US because everyone wants to make a buck off it and the malpractice insurance is not helping either.

If the US doesn't find a way to support small business owners in the next couple of month the country is in for a huge depression, which could last for years.

As quoted by William Shakespeare, Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown.

If you have Karl Marx as your handle, you have much responsibility.

It is most efficient to give money to consumers. Consumers will allocate their spending at their chosen business establishments. It is an awful idea to give money to restaurants and other small businesses. Most go out of business anyway within five years.

U.S. government needs to take over some large corporations/some large industries. There were economists back in 2008, 2009 & 2010 discussing the merits of U.S. federal government taking over, U.S. banking, commercial and investment. U.S. needs to build high speed rail now. U.S. needs to take over airline industry. It makes more sense for U.S. to take over banking and air travel than to bail them out. High speed rail can eliminate most airline travel in U.S. of 500 miles and less.

No on supporting small businesses. Support rail. Let's put the out of work restaurant employees to work building high speed rail lines.

That last post has me speechless. Haven't you seen what happens in other countries once govt starts taking over industries? Read about Argentina or Venezuela at all?

Ouch!

Can you list some examples?

SlowAFRunnrMom wrote:

That last post has me speechless. Haven't you seen what happens in other countries once govt starts taking over industries? Read about Argentina or Venezuela at all?

I am surprised you did not state socialized medicine does not work because of difficulties Italy is having with corona-19 virus. You are giving less than perfect examples. Socialized medicine is working in Austria and Germany. Especially when one realizes Austria and Germany border Italy with plenty of Italians in both nations. I am sure nations who have embraced socialism to a level greater than U.S. has embraced socialism will point out:

1) U.S. health care is great for rich and famous individuals. U.S. medical system is awful for those who earn less than $75,000 per year and do not have company sponsored health care. What a crazy system in U.S. You have to be rich or have a great job to have even good health care.

A number of years ago, a 1st cousin of mine got breast cancer in her early 40s. Her cancer spread across her body. She lost her job, a good job btw, she had a MBA from a good university. Once she lost her job she went on C.O.B.R.A. until she couldn't afford C.O.B.R.A.. My cousin then went to medicaid which is awful healthcare. My cousin died a painful death. U.S. is embracing socialized medicine as I type. U.S. federal government will now pay. For-profit healthcare is yesterday's news.

2) U.S. public education is set up to train one to work on a farm or work as a low skilled factory worker, while private schools are set up to get one into a top college or a top university.

All grants to private schools/private colleges/private universities K-16 need to be cut off. U.S. needs to fully invest in public school education.

3) U.S. airline industry is a disaster. It is already heavily subsidized which is a waste of money. It is more efficient for federal government to take over airline industry than to prop it up.

Do you recall when President Reagan fired all air traffic controllers because they went on an illegal strike, 1981? Reagan fired them all and brought in military air traffic controllers. U.S. military pilots have experience flying medium and large aircraft. U.S. military have experience maintaining medium and large aircraft.

Please take your business school propaganda elsewhere.

America # 1!! wrote:

Giles Corey wrote:

The NY Times!

....perhaps the most reputable news sources in the world.

It's always amusing that the same people who skoff at the NY Times etc usually use Youtube clips to back up their points

You find the NY Times trustworthy?

Where have you been since 911?

Hounddogharrier wrote:

WuhanVirus wrote:

And the Mayor of New York, the Governor of New York, the Mayor of New Orleans and the Governor of Louisiana, and the Mayor and Governor of NJ did nothing to prepare for this after SARS and MERS? What do these politicians do then?

Being very stupid and unable to think logically , you simply regurgitate whatever lie Fox News puts out . Mayors and governors have no ability to limit who comes in their municipalities or the country . If only the USA had some leader of the federal government who could close national borders , order nation-wide testing and maybe not ignore reports a pandemic was imminent and not disband the Pandemic Response Team ! Just think what we could have done if the feds had someone with that kind of power !

If you believe the data that is coming out, including the dates of the first cases, yes closing our borders and quarantining anyone who had come in from almost anywhere would have been needed to be done around Feb 1. I think that would have been a tough sell. The number of cases outside of China were very low, so shutting down things would have been based on someone saying "This is what is going to happen". Pretty much nobody reacted, and now we are seeing most of W Europe having a real problem, along with us. China hushing things up and the WHO saying in late January this was not a world wide problem certainly hurt everyone, and those 2 facts are related.

Like light rail in California? You're an idiot.

So your cousin died of breast cancer. She probably didn't do basic screening or failed to comply with treatment was obese etc. If you want an anecdotal experience my sister in laws brother had a neck fracture and had to wait 6 months for surgery in good old Canada. It is well documented they have horrible wait times. Show me the stats of the US breast cancer treatment being subpar. Medicaid is actually great insurance too good they don't have to pay a dime and people abuse that all the time. The WHO ranked Cuba ahead of the US in health care. Maybe when you get breast cancer you can go there. Or North Korea as the have no kung flu. Liberals are cancer.

further left than V.I.U. wrote:

U.S. needs to build high speed rail now.

No on supporting small businesses. Support rail. Let's put the out of work restaurant employees to work building high speed rail lines.

Let me know when California succeeds in building their high speed rail line from SF to LA first. What I've seen from that experiment is a colossal disaster that will get repeated all over the country.

Colorado can't even build light rail between Denver and Boulder.

We pay the most because 20% goes to insurance overhead, we don't ration, we spend an inordinate amount on the chronic conditions of obesity, mental disorders, back pain, and drug related behaviors including infants with congenital (often drug related) problems. Add to that a government system that promotes inefficiency in purchase of pharma products and other supplies like implants.

Also remember that Mick Jagger flew to Ohio and not France or Switzerland when he wanted his heart fixed fast and right.

Lack of unity between fed, state, and local governments.

It has been made into a political issue instead of a health issue.

High population of obese and generally unhealthy people.

Covid 19 people don t pay off politicians. Our state spend billions on the tollway.

Karl Marx wrote:

First of all it's not real capitalism.

It's socialized corporatism.

Healthcare is so expensive and inefficient in the US because everyone wants to make a buck off it and the malpractice insurance is not helping either.

If the US doesn't find a way to support small business owners in the next couple of month the country is in for a huge depression, which could last for years.

It's unfortunate that it requires a global pandemic for us to realize how our system has been absolutely ponyfxcking us since WWII. My greatest fear is that we won't even realize it now.

I didn't read all of this thread so maybe this was covered.

Canada will beat most nations on this because it is a huge land area with very few people. Other than about 4 major cities, social distancing is an every day occurrence.

I think Canadiens are so polite that they respect personal space much more than other countries.

If anyone thinks the numbers out of China or North Korea are correct, then I have a bridge to sell you.

ThickThighs wrote:

We pay the most because 20% goes to insurance overhead, we don't ration, we spend an inordinate amount on the chronic conditions of obesity, mental disorders, back pain, and drug related behaviors including infants with congenital (often drug related) problems. Add to that a government system that promotes inefficiency in purchase of pharma products and other supplies like implants.

Also remember that Mick Jagger flew to Ohio and not France or Switzerland when he wanted his heart fixed fast and right.

Your Mick Jagger is an example of the problem with U.S. health care. In France, as is your example, medical doctors go to school tuition free. Since medical doctors go to school tuition free, medical doctors are not demanding medicare, medicaid and health insurance companies pay medical doctors $250,000 to $1,250,000 per year depending on their specialty in France. Health outcomes are not better in U.S. as compared to France. Matter of fact, health outcomes for the bottom 25% in U.S. is worse than the bottom 25% in France. A high roller like Mick Jagger may prefer a doctor who makes more than a million dollars a year perform surgery on him. That does not make a U.S. surgeon better. Since Jagger is a high roller, in U.S., he can jump to the head of the line for surgery. In France, Jagger would have had to wait his turn as is the case in socialists countries. Your example fails.

Huh? You made his point. Jager came here to get it fixed fast and right. You said he could move to the front of the line which means fast and you did not dispute that US doctors are well trained which is right.

rib nerd wrote:

Canada will beat most nations on this because it is a huge land area with very few people. Other than about 4 major cities, social distancing is an every day occurrence.

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percentage of population living in Urban areas:

US: 80%

Canada: 80%

Follow the money; factory farming with no ecological or ssafety compliance is the primary source. Same city, same market area as SARs.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/28/is-factory-farming-to-blame-for-coronavirus

WHO, NIH, CDC, every affiliated government health, security agency and global leaders at every level are culpable for this catastrophe. This is the pinnacle of complete ignorance and stupidity to have zero clue this could be on the horizon.

WuhanVirus wrote:

Russia and North Korea have done a much better job avoiding the Wuhan Virus. They have almost no reported Wuhan Virus cases or deaths so far.

North Korea appears to be #1 in avoiding sickness in their country.

*coronavirus

& I agree with this thread. we always avoid doing a deep dive on capitalism & continue to elect people like Trump or Biden. Bernie has looked more & more reasonable during all of this because he is proposing something not actually radical -- putting American people over corporate interests. Coronavirus has already shown flaws in our health care system and in our social programs. We can clearly fund the kinds of programs other countries have in place. Let's start doing that.