LOCKDOWN: could it END by mid-MAY? That would be 8 WEEKS of staying at home

I think I’m going to leave my opinions and thoughts about this to THE EXPERTS.

Lenny Leonard wrote:

Kvothe wrote:

No, it can not be done by mid may, especially not in NYC. Research has shown with vast cooperation, the lockdowns can end in july or august. If even a few refuse to cooperate, they have to go on longer.

You have it backwards.

“Flatten the curve” means we want it to last longer. The only way to make the disease run its course faster is to let it run rampant, but that puts it a strain on hospitals, so they say.

Cooperate = this goes until the mid-summer

Don’t cooperate = it gets really bad for like a month but is over much quicker.

So the $ side is, we are a capitalist society. A quarter won’t come back as it is if we turn on in June.

Every s&p went to trump and said can’t go much beyond.

We turn on in June for better or worse

It's like the moral question of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs - but this time bombing your own population. I know about the strain on medical resources, but would not flattening the curve wipe out more medical workers (doctors, nurses, etc) hence lowering our chances for survival for the future?

Lenny Leonard wrote:

Kvothe wrote:

No, it can not be done by mid may, especially not in NYC. Research has shown with vast cooperation, the lockdowns can end in july or august. If even a few refuse to cooperate, they have to go on longer.

You have it backwards.

“Flatten the curve” means we want it to last longer. The only way to make the disease run its course faster is to let it run rampant, but that puts it a strain on hospitals, so they say.

Cooperate = this goes until the mid-summer

Don’t cooperate = it gets really bad for like a month but is over much quicker.

real info wrote:

This decision can't be made 6 weeks out. Whether restrictions can be released will depend on what the numbers are at the time. If there are few new cases being found and the number of deaths is decreasing to a low level, maybe it would make sense. Looking at the experience of outbreaks prior to NYC that implemented tighter lockdowns earlier on, it seems unlikely.

I'm not going to forget which posters treated Covid-19 as a joke. Ever.

And if these fascists (aka virtue-signaling Democrats) rise to power, you can rest assured that they will try to identify you and make sure you are punished (public shaming with the hopes you’ll get fired at the very least).

The American people are not going to tolerate being locked up, out of work, separated from friends and extended family, and being told to basically do nothing but buy groceries and sit at home for 8 weeks.

When this “temporary” shelter in place becomes dragged out, there will be rebellion. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The first one of the 3 has a lot less value without the the latter 2. Quality of life matters, and the worst prison sentence you can give someone is solitary confinement:

Juice Springsteen wrote:

I think I’m going to leave my opinions and thoughts about this to THE EXPERTS.

Famous last words

Juice Springsteen wrote:

I think I’m going to leave my opinions and thoughts about this to THE EXPERTS.

Sure, like the WHO, they did a good job of ringing the alarm bells and recommending early measures. There are experts on both sides.

Seriously. Pretty much far everything is a problem (although I'm sure thing like equal rights and women's suffrage was faaaaar left at one point and those are valid).

TWD wrote:

infidels must be punished wrote:

And if these fascists (aka virtue-signaling Democrats) rise to power, you can rest assured that they will try to identify you and make sure you are punished (public shaming with the hopes you’ll get fired at the very least).

The hard core religious right Trump supporters sound like, and are no different in their core values, than radicalized Muslim terrorists.

TWD wrote:

The hard core religious right Trump supporters sound like, and are no different in their core values, than radicalized Muslim terrorists.

have a soap box bud

Anyone else thinking social distancing is having Zero Effect?

I'm all for Science and Public Health. Obviously surgeons practicing meticulous hygiene and wearing masks has a huge impact on the spread of disease during surgery

And I'm all for good hygiene and sanitation and people who are especially vulnerable taking necessary precautions

But there's no evidence that you can curb the spread of a virus in the biosphere because the virus simply is everywhere. It travels through the air it gets on objects it's part of the biosphere. I see no evidence that social distancing is doing anything

Look at the stats from Wuhan China and compare them 2 many other cities or the average city

In Wuhan the virus had two months to spread unchecked so it should have been much more severe if social distancing has a real impact

Anyway correct me if I'm wrong but from what I can tell the virus is pretty much spread the way it's always spread from when it was unchecked in Wuhan to when it has been met with big-time social distancing precautions. Anyone who's very knowledgeable I'd love to hear from you but my understanding is that viruses become part of the biosphere and are easily spread through air and objects and social distancing is basically analogous to the fairy tales we were raised on

Heartland runner wrote:

6 to 8 weeks it's probably a likely scenario.

If Trump has it's his way and people can congregate on Easter, it will be the worst pandemic ever.

The Heartland will be wiped out of Trump voters.

The longer I think about it, that seems the best scenario.

Ya know, if you dont like trump, you can simply vote for someone else come election day. Its as simple as that.

You do not have to wish that his supporters be "wiped out" and how that scenario would "seem the best to you." That kind of language will be reported to the owners of this site.

it is scheduled back in 2019 to last six weeks.

unless you're surrounded by healthy people dying, you be fine.

the virus while real, it 100000 percent overblown outside of old folks home and third world clusters.

i could be wrong.

but not really

i however would be very worried about TB, aids, STD, malaria, parasites, ebola but NOT

boomer remover virus.

also who cares if some of us boomers die. i mean why burden our families hanging on pathetically gobbling up their inheritance?

what if most of us boomers plus in the gov dies, banks, big corps, etc.

unfortunately, the virus ain't bad enough, and they got medicine.

so very unfortunately us boomers will be infecting the planet for some time to come.

Stopwatcher wrote:

Anyone else thinking social distancing is having Zero Effect?

You can literally look at Italy and other hard hit countries case load dropping day by day now.

Stopwatcher wrote:

Anyone else thinking social distancing is having Zero Effect?

It's a likely scenario ... health workers in Singapore and Taiwan (or maybe it was Hong Kong) follow a protocol of >= 6' for prolonged exposure in a confined environment, with patients who are probably infectees. 15 minutes in Taiwan, 30 minutes in Singapore. Any less than that and they don't sweat the distance.

Seems like there's growing consensus that it's spread by 1) physical contact eg handshaking followed by handshaking with a symptomatic infectee, or 2) prolonged close exposure to a symptomatic infectee. If that's the case, 90% of social distancing is pretty useless.

It's too early to know for sure.

(Sources: something from the new yorker, and something someone posted from some NYC doctor. That's enough to Google if you're interested, and if you're a Panicker you're not going to read them anyway )

YMMV wrote:

Don't try to reason with this fearful little moran.

Agreed. He's pretty stupid. Just not a smart person.

Friggin *Wuhan* was only locked down for 2 months. It ended a couple says ago. That's the city it started in. Hubei province (where Wuhan's located) was locked down for a month. The rest of China, not so much. But we need stricter measures, for longer, and nationwide, than Wuhan.

Hey, NYC isn't Wuhan and maybe it'll turn out to be locked down for longer, for some weird reason. But dismissing Mid-May out of hand is just ... dumb.

Erryone wanna say "We have to do what China did!" without actually knowing what China did.

I think your focus on them being mean with what they're saying and not with the best public safety protocols in mind is not in the least bit ironic or definitely doesn't undercut your argument about not taking this seriously enough.

New cases in the US declined for the second time, and have been fairly stable for the past 4 days. Same thing is happening all over Europe - even Spain has seen three straight days of decline. Germany declined. Sweden, which has done nothing more severe than banning gatherings of 50 people, is declining. Fatality numbers will lag behind that by a few days, but this thing is definitely over the hump.

Writing's on the wall, alarmists! Start preparing your excuses for destroying the economy.

Bad Wigins wrote:

New cases in the US declined for the second time, and have been fairly stable for the past 4 days. Same thing is happening all over Europe - even Spain has seen three straight days of decline. Germany declined. Sweden, which has done nothing more severe than banning gatherings of 50 people, is declining. Fatality numbers will lag behind that by a few days, but this thing is definitely over the hump.

Writing's on the wall, alarmists! Start preparing your excuses for destroying the economy.

Based on Worldometer, they’ve increased every day in the US since March 22nd. Which numbers have you seen?

This whole thread is ridiculous - somehow a virus and our public health response has turned into a partisan issue. We just love to hate one another, listen only to rhetoric that fits with our opinion, and shout down on all who oppose us.