Why the heck was New York City not prepared for this? The tax the heck out of every resident.

X-Runner wrote:

Put it this way, New York sends between $250 billion and $300 billion to the federal government each year.

When the OP complains about New York getting aid from the federal government, you got to look where the federal government gets its money from in the first place.

I have to admit that you are correct.

New York gets only 91 cents in federal funding for every dollar it sends to Washington — one of just 11 states that give more than they get.

Interrupt as you choose, just wanted to share.

still here? wrote:

ReallybroReally wrote:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/16/no-white-house-didnt-dissolve-its-pandemic-response-office/

LOL. Owned

I'll cut you some slack if you are actually a child, otherwise grow up a bit. And look at my response which precedes this post.

I would think that, at this point, we all would have learned to take anything that either Trump or one of his people says with a healthy grain of salt. But the continuing gullibility of some people is pretty amazing.

"Trump’s elimination of the office suggested, along with his proposed budget cuts for the CDC, that he did not see the threat of pandemics in the same way that many experts in the field did."

johnny99 wrote:

still here? wrote:

LOL. Owned

I'll cut you some slack if you are actually a child, otherwise grow up a bit. And look at my response which precedes this post.

I would think that, at this point, we all would have learned to take anything that either Trump or one of his people says with a healthy grain of salt. But the continuing gullibility of some people is pretty amazing.

https://apnews.com/ce014d94b64e98b7203b873e56f80e9a

"Trump’s elimination of the office suggested, along with his proposed budget cuts for the CDC, that he did not see the threat of pandemics in the same way that many experts in the field did."

Don't think so ...

Democrats have criticized President Donald Trump for his administration’s response to the new coronavirus, making claims about cuts to public health programs and the silencing of government experts. But they haven’t always gotten their facts right:

It’s true that the president’s budget proposals have consistently called for reduced funding for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, but Congress hasn’t enacted those cuts. Some Democrats have correctly said Trump “tried” to implement such cuts, while others wrongly claimed he “slashed funding of the CDC” or “cut the funding,” in the words of Democratic presidential candidates Mike Bloomberg and Joe Biden, respectively.

Biden said Trump “tried to defund the NIH.” Trump did propose cutting NIH funding, but lawmakers instead have enacted increases.

Multiple Democrats, including Bloomberg and Biden, have criticized Trump for getting rid of a pandemic response position on the National Security Council. The position was eliminated, although John Bolton, then-national security adviser, was the person directly responsible.

Biden went too far when he claimed that Trump “hasn’t allowed his scientists to speak” about the coronavirus. It’s true that the government’s top scientists on infectious disease were told to clear their media interviews through a coronavirus task force, but they have since made numerous public appearances.

ReallybroReally wrote:

From the Time article.

"“The Global Health Security directorate was absorbed into another directorate where similar responsibilities still exist at the National Security Council but under different titles,” a senior administration official tells TIME, insisting that the NSC continues to be “staffed by officials with extensive experience and expertise including in virology, infectious disease epidemiology, global health security, public health, and emergency response.” The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly."

This seems to be the "dismantling"

Yes, it's pure corporate-speak. We're not eliminating your position, we're just merging responsibilities.

Anyway, you should give Dr. Fauci a call. He seems to be under the impression that the office was eliminated (from the AP article):

“It would be nice if the office was still there,” Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at the National Institute of Health, told Congress this week. “I wouldn’t necessarily characterize it as a mistake (to eliminate the unit). I would say we worked very well with that office.”

mission accomplished! wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

It is supposedly the greatest city in the world. Why is Andrew Cuomo asking the federal government for aid when the state should have done the same to protect the citizens? The tax rates are like 65% - Why the hell does NYC not have masks and ventilators and everything else? Why the heck have they needed to rely on the federal government?

The president said it wasn't a threat so why did they need to prepare?

You're a total IDIOT!!!!

Clearly you'd like Bernie to come in and take over and wipe your butt. It's the state's (Cuomo) responsibility to ensure the care of its citizens. To make sure there is adequate healthcare and emergency facilities. The government is there for support but cannot run the state and its policies. That my friend is Mr. Cuomo's job. You voted for him and now you have to deal with the consequences. Don't blame Trump.......blame your Democratic politicians. Where's Hillary???? Where's Schumer????? Where's AOC?????............Crickets!!!!!!!!!

BUTTHOLE SURFER wrote:

mission accomplished! wrote:

The president said it wasn't a threat so why did they need to prepare?

You're a total IDIOT!!!!

Clearly you'd like Bernie to come in and take over and wipe your butt. It's the state's (Cuomo) responsibility to ensure the care of its citizens. To make sure there is adequate healthcare and emergency facilities. The government is there for support but cannot run the state and its policies. That my friend is Mr. Cuomo's job. You voted for him and now you have to deal with the consequences. Don't blame Trump.......blame your Democratic politicians. Where's Hillary???? Where's Schumer????? Where's AOC?????............Crickets!!!!!!!!!

Nice post. The state of New York gets many BILLIONS EACH YEAR - in taxes and other income. Why was New York City prepared for this? Down here in Houston we prepare for stuff like this. No need for Uncle Sam to get involved. We have a problem? We damn FIX the problem! We don't go bellyaching at how the federal government is not doing their share! We take care of the damn problem on the state level! Quit whining NYC - fix your DAMN PROBLEM!

johnny99 wrote:

I'll cut you some slack if you are actually a child, otherwise grow up a bit. And look at my response which precedes this post.

I would think that, at this point, we all would have learned to take anything that either Trump or one of his people says with a healthy grain of salt. But the continuing gullibility of some people is pretty amazing.

If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.

BHO

The facts in the article are the facts. If the facts are true, it doesn't matter who says them. Can you refute the facts? No. You can't.

Sally Vix wrote:

It is supposedly the greatest city in the world. Why is Andrew Cuomo asking the federal government for aid when the state should have done the same to protect the citizens? The tax rates are like 65% - Why the hell does NYC not have masks and ventilators and everything else? Why the heck have they needed to rely on the federal government?

Because President* Trump said in a few days we'd be down to 0 infections and downplayed any need for testing.

So there's that . . . .

Like 5 billion in aide for hurricane Harvey?

coach wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

Nice post. The state of New York gets many BILLIONS EACH YEAR - in taxes and other income. Why was New York City prepared for this? Down here in Houston we prepare for stuff like this. No need for Uncle Sam to get involved. We have a problem? We damn FIX the problem! We don't go bellyaching at how the federal government is not doing their share! We take care of the damn problem on the state level! Quit whining NYC - fix your DAMN PROBLEM!

Like 5 billion in aide for hurricane Harvey?

Hurricane Harvey was perhaps the worst hurricane in American history. Should those affected NOT get anything to help out?

Trump has been president for over 3 years. That wasn't enough time to build up the supply? At some point he has to stop blaming Obama for everything and take some responsibility.

It is borderline criminal that frontline healthcare workers don't have adequate protection. When this is over people should be held accountable, whether at the state or Fed level. In Italy over 40 health care workers have died, many of them doctors.

We wouldn't dream of send our police force out to protect us unarmed. Why is it acceptable for our health care workers?

Great post. I agree big time with you. Biden/Obama had 7 years to replenish the mask supplies and Trump/Pence had 3 years to do the same. They both dropped the bucket. Both should be ashamed in what they failed to do.

Sally Vix wrote:

Down here in Houston we prepare for stuff like this. No need for Uncle Sam to get involved. We have a problem? We damn FIX the problem! We don't go bellyaching at how the federal government is not doing their share! We take care of the damn problem on the state level! Quit whining NYC - fix your DAMN PROBLEM!

Sally Vix wrote:

coach wrote:

Like 5 billion in aide for hurricane Harvey?

Hurricane Harvey was perhaps the worst hurricane in American history. Should those affected NOT get anything to help out?

Of course they should, that's the job of the federal government. We didn't blame Houstonians for building in flood zones, for not preparing for a hurricane; collectively as a country we came to their aid. The federal government should help its citizens as it is doing now in NY and as it will do in a few weeks in New Orleans and in other cities that will be overwhelmed.

It seems to me that it's easier to prepare for hurricanes, tornadoes, fires than pandemics. If this is the new reality than we are learning our lesson now.

New York had a chance under Obama to buy many ventilators and they didn't. Instead they spend it on crap. I do hope they get the ventilators tho. Dyson just made one in ten days. I hope gm and Tesla are getting on the ball with this.

Health care control has always been primarily administered by the States, counties and cities. It is why the states have varied policies regarding abortion and other health issues. Each state has different health needs. This is how the constitution was configured to give states certain rights and the Federal government others.

New York had the absolute responsibility to maintain sufficient resources to meet the local health issues specific to their state. The fed should avoid placing blanket edicts for all states that don't have similar issues. These particular health issues should have been addressed at the state governor and city mayor level. The people in these positions in NY failed their duty to protect their state as authorized by the Constitution.

I hope their failure does not result in infections throughout the entire country.

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