Nearly twice as many Americans are dying daily of Coronavirus as from the flu despite a much smaller patient population

unemployedquestion2 wrote:

I live in Florida, one of the states being accused of irresponsibly handling all of this, and to date we have 1900 cases and 23 deaths. Only a percentage of that 1900 has required hospitalization. There are 303 hospitals in Florida. That means dozens of hospitals haven't even had an admission for this illness. The correct response would be urging only the at-risk people to be on lockdown/isolation, not trash our freakin economy and make hundreds of thousands (oh wait sorry, millions now) of people go on unemployment

How are people still this ignorant on the virus?

IT TAKES UP TO TWO WEEKS TO SHOW SYMPTOMS.

YOU ARE CONTAGIOUS BEFORE YOU EXHIBIT SYMPTOMS. If you exhibit symptoms at all.

Those 1900 cases have already infected significantly more people that that, who are already infecting other people themselves. Hospitalization is something like 6-8% of cases. That is a huge amount.

wtfbbq wrote:

How are people still this ignorant on the virus?

IT TAKES UP TO TWO WEEKS TO SHOW SYMPTOMS.

YOU ARE CONTAGIOUS BEFORE YOU EXHIBIT SYMPTOMS. If you exhibit symptoms at all.

Those 1900 cases have already infected significantly more people that that, who are already infecting other people themselves. Hospitalization is something like 6-8% of cases. That is a huge amount.

This virus has so far a 98-99% recovery rate in the US. And as you said most people show mild to no symptoms. Hospitalization is 6-8% so that means we've had around 120-150 hospitalizations TOTAL in the WHOLE STATE after TWO MONTHS of MINIMAL INTERVENTION. Tell at-risk people to stay home and isolate and let the healthy people show no symptoms and get on with life and stay away from at-risk people who are self isolating. Doesn't sound that hard or dangerous.

coronasceptic wrote:

32 million dead from HIV out of 75 million cases (43% death rate).

770,000 deaths in 2018.

NO calls for social distancing?

HIV doesn’t spread by sneezing, coughing or incidental social contact. And there have been massive calls for practicing safer sex and not sharing intravenous drug needles. Bad example

Old people in this country(US) live alone. Many of them live in separate houses in "retirement communities" of all kinds. Even poor old people live in section 8 apartments. It would have been very easy to go the route of asking the old and feeble to self Isolate and for the vast majority of us to deal with the lack of symptoms or minimal symptoms.

unemployedquestion wrote:

coronasceptic wrote:

32 million dead from HIV out of 75 million cases (43% death rate).

770,000 deaths in 2018.

NO calls for social distancing?

HIV doesn’t spread by sneezing, coughing or incidental social contact. And there have been massive calls for practicing safer sex and not sharing intravenous drug needles. Bad example

But no behavior has been forbidden - to save lives? Like taking your grandchildren to the beach is forbidden - to save lives?

unemployedquestion2 wrote:

So there has not been much of an influx of care required

Maybe Fox News can help you understand the situation if you don't care for other media outlets.

run faster and faster wrote:

But that wouldn't be fair to those people who lived an unhealthy life. Everyone should suffer equally. So we will tank the economy for everyone and the unhealthiest will tax the healthcare system also. You shouldn't be able to go to work to support your family. You certainly shouldn't be able to have your children enjoy their childhood by participating in organized sports or going to school.

Unhealthy life? Who decides what that mean? People who drink alcohol socially are leading unhealthy lives compared to teetotalers. People who smoked at any point in their lives, used drugs recreationally or drank heavily in college probably irreversibly compromised their bodies. People who eat white bread, chips, ice cream and candy are putting crap in their bodies. People who only do cardio 3 times a week and no weight lifting ever. I want any such person behind me on the ventilator priority list should I need one for some reason. They should make better lifestyle choices if they want to be ahead of me in the cue.

CORONA IS A GIANT NOTHING BURGER.

Precious Roy wrote:

It is not a choice between saving the economy and allowing COVID 19 to run its natural course. COVID 19 running its natural course will ruin the economy. The number of people ill with coronoavirus who need to be in intensive care dwarfs the number of people with flu that need similar care. That is what makes CV so dangerous. If you let it run rampant, what is happening in places like New Orleans and Albany, Georgia will happen in every community in the United States except that it will be much worse. Every private and public health system will go bankrupt. Every health insurer will go bankrupt. Health care spending in the US is about 18% of GDP. You cannot destroy @1/5 of the economy and expect everything to be rosy.

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A poster registered as "Precious" is afraid, very afraid. I am shocked.

This seems like a truly serious disease. Fox is usually to the right but they are taking it as seriously as the MSM.

unemployedquestion2 wrote:

The CDC/WHO reacted pretty much the same as with H1N1 but with some slightly stronger recommendations - it has been the media that then revved this up into a fear-mongering debacle with politically-motivated undertones.

Quit blaming the media FFS. Do you think all of these billion dollar pro sports leagues shut down because they were scared of media reports or medical reports? Do you think Las Vegas shut down due to the media or epidemiologists?

land of enchantment wrote:

unemployedquestion2 wrote:

The CDC/WHO reacted pretty much the same as with H1N1 but with some slightly stronger recommendations - it has been the media that then revved this up into a fear-mongering debacle with politically-motivated undertones.

Quit blaming the media FFS. Do you think all of these billion dollar pro sports leagues shut down because they were scared of media reports or medical reports? Do you think Las Vegas shut down due to the media or epidemiologists?

They shut down because of the media blowback and negative press they’d receive if they didn’t comply with the media hysteria.

Harambe wrote:

Wrong stats. wrote:

85% of flue cases have occured after Jan 1. "You'd better adjust your daily average. if there has been 18700 flu deaths since Jan 1, that means the flu has killed 215 Amercans a day for 85 days.

Ah yes, so Covid is still killing more people. Thanks for clarifying that.

Nothing easier than beating the conspiracy denialists to death with a 4th grade math textbook. Easy work.

In 2018 80,000 Americans were killed by the flu. In 4 months only 1,000 Americans have died from this virus. Obvious which is deadlier.

unemployedquestion2 wrote:

wtfbbq wrote:

How are people still this ignorant on the virus?

IT TAKES UP TO TWO WEEKS TO SHOW SYMPTOMS.

YOU ARE CONTAGIOUS BEFORE YOU EXHIBIT SYMPTOMS. If you exhibit symptoms at all.

Those 1900 cases have already infected significantly more people that that, who are already infecting other people themselves. Hospitalization is something like 6-8% of cases. That is a huge amount.

This virus has so far a 98-99% recovery rate in the US. And as you said most people show mild to no symptoms. Hospitalization is 6-8% so that means we've had around 120-150 hospitalizations TOTAL in the WHOLE STATE after TWO MONTHS of MINIMAL INTERVENTION. Tell at-risk people to stay home and isolate and let the healthy people show no symptoms and get on with life and stay away from at-risk people who are self isolating. Doesn't sound that hard or dangerous.

Say that in Italy this week or last or NYC in the next two weeks.

good Broomfield wrote:

Say that in Italy this week or last or NYC in the next two weeks.

Italy has a tremendously more vulnerable population thanks to a greater percentage of elderly people, smokers, and air pollution as well as a horrifically substandard healthcare system. Even there the recovery rate is upwards of 96% when accounting for all the undiagnosed and asymptomatic cases.

The death rate will not change significantly in NY. There will be more identified cases and some more fatalities but the rate will be the same.

Are you referring to the WHO who initially told us that it wasn't transmissible through community means, since that's what the very honest communist chinese gov't told them? That WHO??? ...and then changed their tune since they had no choice but to contrast the chinese since the facts were glaringly obvious and they couldn't provide cover for the chinese gov't anymore? that WHO? yeah, they're super reliable, thanks!

Runningart2004 wrote:

Why do you think the CDC/WHO reacts differently to COVID-19 than the flu? Perhaps because they know what they are talking about?

Alan

25 year old in critical condition

[quote]unemployedquestion wrote:

You do realize there’s a vaccine for the flu and it’s still killing all those people right? And it’s killed 215 average every single day since Jan 1, right? Not just one day, but 85 straight days... with a vaccine out there also lowering the death

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Fair enough but the concern is a) this is growing very fast b) deaths generally lag infections c) the experts says this would be way worse without the measures we're taking

I think a fair question is how many deaths per day do you think there will be 10 days from now? Some people were speculating on another thread and making predictions of whether there would be 3000 deaths total by a certain date at end of month. I don't doubt that some experts might predict that many deaths a day for sure in April. I hope they are wrong.

Last few days there have been about 200+ deaths a day from this. A week ago that number was 20-40 deaths a day. If we go up to 7-10x the deaths in another week and stay at that level for a while I think you can see the numbers would get big pretty quick. Italy has been 600-800 deaths the last few days.

The US has I think 5 times the population of Italy.

Even if we just have Italy numbers for 2 weeks say 650 deaths a day that's about 10,000 deaths. If we go 5x Italy that's a lot of deaths.

You're from Florida 314 cases a week ago. 1682 cases yesterday accoding to

https://covidtracking.com/

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NY went from 2300 cases to 17,000 in a week. Best hope is a lot of these cases were from prior to the lockdown and we'll see the growth rate stop soon as positive cases lag infection and deaths lag even more.

It’s been 25 days since Gov. Ron DeSantis first announced the coronavirus had arrived in the Sunshine State. As of Wednesday, testing has widely expanded throughout the state and more than 16,000 people have been tested for the highly contagious virus.

Numbers from the state saw a jump between Wednesday morning to evening by 295, bringing Florida’s new total by 6 p.m. to 1,977, including 110 non-Florida residents in the state who have contracted COVID-19.

The fact that you feel completely comfortable writing off a pandemic in its infancy (3 weeks after it started in FL) shows you have a cursory understanding of how this all works.

The US had roughly 1000 cases 15 days ago, now 75,000.