My gym asked me if I want ot keep paying so they can pay their staff - huh?

Lenny Leonard wrote:

runjc wrote:

I was only using it to shower and occasional weights. I run outside for 99% of my activity.

I have a shower in my house.

You deserve whatever swindling you get because you are obviously a fool.

Ever hear of run commuting or running during lunch?

Next?

Assuming they are paying the employees the same wage, they have potentially all the same income but are lower on electricity, heat, and cleaning. How is this hard?

Like them Kenya girls’ rears wrote:

Ask them to extend your membership for 2 months.

This seems like the right strategy. I pay for a year at a time (at a franchise of a large chain) and when my membership comes due in May I plan to ask them to extend my next year by the amount of time they were closed. But I'm not sure I have much leverage, because there's really only one gym reasonably convenient to me (well, two of the same chain).

Tell them sure, as long as they deliver you a treadmill until this is over.

What’s next, I want a portion of my property taxes, water bill, electric bill, cable bill....etc. refunded, they aren’t staffed 100%. Are you working from home? Maybe your employer should pay you less, because now your costs are less. So ridiculous. Everyone wants equity until it personally has a negative impact on them. I’m going to request a portion of my kids’ tuition refunded. They aren’t using school buildings or school utilities.

maybe maybe not wrote:

maybe maybe not but maybe wrote:

I know trump has no problem repeatedly declaring bankruptcy due to his bad business decisions, but the owners of your local gym might have more integrity, and not want to stick it to their creditors. If you are still employed why not help them out? It doesn't cost you any extra. Of course no one would expect you to keep paying if you lost your job.

There is nothing immoral about chapter 13 bankruptcy.

There is more questionable integrity in expecting your customers to keep paying you when you aren't providing them anything.

In many, and probably most cases, I would agree there is nothing immoral about bankruptcy. It is in fact a way to prevent "kicking a man when he is down." But when someone repeatedly declares bankruptcy, yet continues to live a billionaire lifestyle, that is indeed immoral.

And I have no animosity towards my local, independently owned gym. I want to see them and their great employees make it through this. I would not have the same concern about a chain gym, but I would also not take a "to hell with them" attitude.

maybe maybe not wrote:

maybe maybe not but maybe wrote:

I know trump has no problem repeatedly declaring bankruptcy due to his bad business decisions, but the owners of your local gym might have more integrity, and not want to stick it to their creditors. If you are still employed why not help them out? It doesn't cost you any extra. Of course no one would expect you to keep paying if you lost your job.

There is nothing immoral about chapter 13 bankruptcy.

the lying liar tubby trump goes into a deal knowing beforehand that he will loot his company and declare bankruptcy - that is felonious fraud

the lying liar tubby trump hires contractors knowing beforehand that he will not honor the contract and pay what he owes - that is felonious fraud

the lying liar tubby trump lies on his loan applications and knows beforehand that he will default - that is felonious fraud

trump virus, trump slump, covfefe, sad

runjc wrote:

The gym is closed. Why is it up to me to pay the staff's income if I'm not going/locked out. I'm not some millionaire pro athlete.

On top of that they didn't even ask for just the portion that relates to their salaries (say 60% of the fees) they asked for the whole amount... they want the profit component too - seems like a brilliant business strategy.

Has anyone else experienced this with other 'woke' businesses that are asking you to help with social issues?

I would say in this situation it is fine to ask. You had the option to say no.

I work with an organization that just canceled its season. 2000 people had signed up. We gave them the option to rollover the registration fee to the next season (being optimistic), to donate it (it is a non-profit), or get a refund.

maybe maybe not but maybe wrote:

maybe maybe not wrote:

There is nothing immoral about chapter 13 bankruptcy.

There is more questionable integrity in expecting your customers to keep paying you when you aren't providing them anything.

In many, and probably most cases, I would agree there is nothing immoral about bankruptcy. It is in fact a way to prevent "kicking a man when he is down." But when someone repeatedly declares bankruptcy, yet continues to live a billionaire lifestyle, that is indeed immoral.

And I have no animosity towards my local, independently owned gym. I want to see them and their great employees make it through this. I would not have the same concern about a chain gym, but I would also not take a "to hell with them" attitude.

No, it's not. You know nothing about bankruptcy. There is nothing immoral about owning hundreds of businesses and having a few of them declare bankruptcy. That is in fact the norm, not the exception. The banks who are losing money on such loans are also owned by billionaires.

Lenny Leonard wrote:

runjc wrote:

I was only using it to shower and occasional weights. I run outside for 99% of my activity.

I have a shower in my house.

You deserve whatever swindling you get because you are obviously a fool.

So at work if you go for a midday run, do you then go home to shower and then back to work?

I had friends in San Francisco who had a gym membership because the building they were in did not have showers. They paid a monthly gym fee to have access to the showers (they used the TMs and sauna from time to time too). They could not come back from their runs at lunch and be stanky.

You have to decide if its a great gym. Do you want it to be open after the lockdown or would you just go somewhere else?

Avocado's Number wrote:

Genny Cream wrote:

The YMCA is going to keep taking my money.

As I recall -- I barely glanced at the message -- my local YMCA said that it was seeking some sort of determination that a substantial portion of the membership fees would be tax-deductible, presumably because it's a religious organization that is not currently providing goods or services in exchange for the donation. (I think it's absurd that organizations like the YMCA are provided with such tax advantages. Commercial gyms are dicey enough as investments or businesses without competition from purportedly non-profit "religious" organizations.)

The Y has distanced itself from being a religious organization---thus the move to being the "Y". It is organized as a nonprofit. Planet Fitness could organized itself in that way as well.

I am going to break some news to you almost every running club is likely a non-profit. They put on races and compete with for profit groups. So I guess running clubs should stop putting on races.

Also, many, many hospitals are organized as non-profits.

I'm not sure that a lot of the Y fees can be classified as a donation. On top of that fewer and fewer people would be able to even take advantage of it being classified as a donation on taxes.

runjc wrote:

The gym is closed. Why is it up to me to pay the staff's income if I'm not going/locked out. I'm not some millionaire pro athlete.

On top of that they didn't even ask for just the portion that relates to their salaries (say 60% of the fees) they asked for the whole amount... they want the profit component too - seems like a brilliant business strategy.

Has anyone else experienced this with other 'woke' businesses that are asking you to help with social issues?

Back to this: actually yes. Although I am not sure "woke" is the right word. Plenty of businesses are asking you to order take out to stay open. States have loosened the regulations on take out of alcohol as well.

Yeah, the banks, the janitorial services, the many, many suppliers, etc., all billionaires.

Jeebuz man, get a grip!

Luv2Run wrote:

runjc wrote:

The gym is closed. Why is it up to me to pay the staff's income if I'm not going/locked out. I'm not some millionaire pro athlete.

On top of that they didn't even ask for just the portion that relates to their salaries (say 60% of the fees) they asked for the whole amount... they want the profit component too - seems like a brilliant business strategy.

Has anyone else experienced this with other 'woke' businesses that are asking you to help with social issues?

Back to this: actually yes. Although I am not sure "woke" is the right word. Plenty of businesses are asking you to order take out to stay open. States have loosened the regulations on take out of alcohol as well.

Other businesses are advertising what they can provide. They aren't asking you to donate for nothing in return.

Genny Cream wrote:

The YMCA is going to keep taking my money.

That's the one gym I was a member at because of the 200m tracks/Pools/Sauna and for providing one membership useful at 4 locations.

Did you pay the full amount in advance?

In Colorado, in quite recent decisions and over the objections of local taxing authorities, the YMCA of the Rockies has received a statutory exemption from property taxes as a religious organization.

runjc wrote:

The gym is closed. Why is it up to me to pay the staff's income if I'm not going/locked out. I'm not some millionaire pro athlete.

On top of that they didn't even ask for just the portion that relates to their salaries (say 60% of the fees) they asked for the whole amount... they want the profit component too - seems like a brilliant business strategy.

Has anyone else experienced this with other 'woke' businesses that are asking you to help with social issues?

I bet you root for Mr. Potter.

May I suggest you pay if you can? Everyone has to get along during this time, and it’s harder for some then it is for others. If you are in a position to pay, you should consider it.