Trump says US Could Re-open in 2 weeks.

We can't go on forever with this lock-down, unless we want half the country to be unemployed and start to have a lot of shortages in products due to lack of production. And then crime will likely increase, as will suicide rates and homelessness rates.

As more and more tests are becoming available they are starting to test more people and not just the severe cases. The fatality rate is now under 2% and continuing to drop. As more tests are created we'll likely see that it's under 1%. Here is a quote from New England Journal of Medicine, "Another study of about 1,100 hospitalized patients in China found that the overall death rate was slightly lower, around 1.4%." This is out of the people who had severe enough symptoms to go to a hospital and be tested. So thinking that 1.4% of people will did from this is very wrong, it's 1.4% of people that actually get infected and actually feel the need to go to a hospital will die. The flu is 0.1% so this is at worst 10x worse than the flu... We don't bat an eye at the flu on a normal year, so why are we shutting down the world for something that is on a similar level, but a little bit more, than the flu?

We could put some restrictions on some things, but these complete lock-downs and complete cancellations of events is a bit extreme. We shouldn't burn the world down because we're afraid of less than 1% of people dying, most of whom are 70 years or older and not going to live very much longer anyway.

Trump makes himself look bad all on his own.

Stop. For the love of running, please stop. Stop posting. Stop posting nonsense. Stop posting articles from rags. Stop posting trivial anecdotes. Leave this forum. This is not twitter. Find someplace else to get your attention.

The liberal media may just be posting the scientific facts regarding Covid19, but they are ALSO spreading fear and attacking Trump every second they get. It's not either or. I am officially done with CNN.

Pappy wrote:

@pappy wrote:

What part of he said it was approved by the FDA and then the FDA said it wasn't do you consider to not be "about the truth"?

I'm not here to defend Trump. Why he said that I don't know. He probably assumed it was approved for everything. It is or was approved for malaria in the 40's. Chloroquine has helped in other areas of the world for the corona virus. At least that is what doctors in China and S, Korea have said. Clinical studies have not been completed for it's effectiveness with the corona virus.

So is it totally untrue? I'd say no. My point was with CNN just trying to fear monger.

"He probably assumed it was approved for everything."

That couldn't be more unacceptable. All he had to do was ask.

@fartholemew wrote:

"Umm, he has advisers and I'm sure he is speaking based on what his advisers confided to him."

Tthen he's an idiot, his advisors are idiots, and it barely needs to be said that you're an idiot.

From the link:

US President Donald Trump claimed at a White House briefing last week that the Food and Drug Administration had approved the "very powerful" drug chloroquine to treat coronavirus.

"Normally the FDA would take a long time to approve something like that, and it's -- it was approved very, very quickly and it's now approved, by prescription."

However, the FDA after the briefing issued a statement saying it had not approved the drug for use against Covid-19 and is still studying its effectiveness against the disease.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/africa/chloroquine-trump-nigeria-intl/index.html

Horrific, damaging lies from Trump.

xactly wrote:

The liberal media may just be posting the scientific facts regarding Covid19, but they are ALSO spreading fear and attacking Trump every second they get. It's not either or. I am officially done with CNN.

I never watch CNN and it's pretty easy to tell that Trump is an idiot. He can't have a single press conference without saying something that the medical experts contradict. He's shown zero leadership.

It looks like he got this 2 week idea from Twitter and not the medical experts:

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1242060770218827777/photo/1

I work in emergency management at a hospital, and I can say with 100% certainty that this will have not even peaked in in two weeks, let alone go back to business as usual. We're in this for months.

Please stay home and follow your local health department's recommendations. They'll do their best to time the shutdowns and closures so that things are open for as long as possible. Staying home is the best way to give our hospitals a fighting chance.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Pappy wrote:

I'm not here to defend Trump. Why he said that I don't know. He probably assumed it was approved for everything. It is or was approved for malaria in the 40's. Chloroquine has helped in other areas of the world for the corona virus. At least that is what doctors in China and S, Korea have said. Clinical studies have not been completed for it's effectiveness with the corona virus.

So is it totally untrue? I'd say no. My point was with CNN just trying to fear monger.

"He probably assumed it was approved for everything."

That couldn't be more unacceptable. All he had to do was ask.

So you are saying you would rather have no treatment then a treatment proven to work if you had a mild case? Give it a rest. What would be unacceptable is to not treat mild to moderate cases. Once in the severe stages the drug does not work.

Please do not leave your moms basement. As she has said all these years, you are safer there.

Pappy wrote:

@pappy wrote:

What part of he said it was approved by the FDA and then the FDA said it wasn't do you consider to not be "about the truth"?

I'm not here to defend Trump. Why he said that I don't know. He probably assumed it was approved for everything. It is or was approved for malaria in the 40's. Chloroquine has helped in other areas of the world for the corona virus. At least that is what doctors in China and S, Korea have said. Clinical studies have not been completed for it's effectiveness with the corona virus.

So is it totally untrue? I'd say no. My point was with CNN just trying to fear monger.

Is Science magazine also trying to fearmonger when they point out Trump's lies and statements not based on facts?

From their interview with Dr, Fauci:

Q: Most everyone thinks that you’re doing a remarkable job, but you're standing there as the representative of truth and facts, but things are being said that aren't true and aren't factual.

A: The way it happened is that after he made that statement [suggesting China could have revealed the discovery of a new coronavirus 3 to 4 months earlier], I told the appropriate people, it doesn't comport, because 2 or 3 months earlier would have been September. The next time they sit down with him and talk about what he’s going to say, they will say, ‘By the way, Mr. President, be careful about this and don't say that.’ But I can't jump in front of the microphone and push him down. OK, he said it. Let's try and get it corrected for the next time.

Playing it Safe wrote:

I work in emergency management at a hospital, and I can say with 100% certainty that this will have not even peaked in in two weeks, let alone go back to business as usual. We're in this for months.

Please stay home and follow your local health department's recommendations. They'll do their best to time the shutdowns and closures so that things are open for as long as possible. Staying home is the best way to give our hospitals a fighting chance.

Forest versus trees my friend, and one size doesn't fit all.

He got the 15 day idea from Fox News.

Pappy wrote:

@pappy wrote:

What part of he said it was approved by the FDA and then the FDA said it wasn't do you consider to not be "about the truth"?

I'm not here to defend Trump. Why he said that I don't know. He probably assumed it was approved for everything. It is or was approved for malaria in the 40's. Chloroquine has helped in other areas of the world for the corona virus. At least that is what doctors in China and S, Korea have said. Clinical studies have not been completed for it's effectiveness with the corona virus.

So is it totally untrue? I'd say no. My point was with CNN just trying to fear monger.

So the POTUS says something completely untrue (the drug has not been approved by the FDA for treatment of the Corona virus...the only pertinent point) and, in addition, Dr. Fauci has repeatedly said this is not true and yet it is the media trying to fear monger?

BAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAA

I CAN SEE ALL YOU 'MURICAANSS STARTING TO GET SCARED IT WILL TAKE MORE THAN 2 WEEKS.

BAAAAHAHAHAHAHA

YOU ARE NOT GETTING OUT OF THIS IN 2 WEEKS. WE ARE IN THIS FOR 18 MONTHS MINIMUM.

Emergency management makes you the expert on what will happen across the entire country when our collection of experts had us doing nothing 2 weeks ago? QI guess you should be the lead on the task force. My friend is in charge our local hospital. We have no cases and the hospital is empty because people are cancelling appointments. He has had to scale back nurses' hours. He is telling me that this Friday will be the peak and that we will be back to normal in w weeks.

let's go! wrote:

Playing it Safe wrote:

I work in emergency management at a hospital, and I can say with 100% certainty that this will have not even peaked in in two weeks, let alone go back to business as usual. We're in this for months.

Please stay home and follow your local health department's recommendations. They'll do their best to time the shutdowns and closures so that things are open for as long as possible. Staying home is the best way to give our hospitals a fighting chance.

Forest versus trees my friend, and one size doesn't fit all.

One size does not fit all...Which is exactly why I said to listen to your local health department's recommendations which will be catered to your area.

@fartholemew wrote:

I can't jump in front of the microphone and push him down.

That would be so epic if he leaped out pushed Trump down as he lied.

math wizner wrote:

Emergency management makes you the expert on what will happen across the entire country when our collection of experts had us doing nothing 2 weeks ago? QI guess you should be the lead on the task force. My friend is in charge our local hospital. We have no cases and the hospital is empty because people are cancelling appointments. He has had to scale back nurses' hours. He is telling me that this Friday will be the peak and that we will be back to normal in w weeks.

The experts have been warning of this since January. HHS declared a public health emergency on January 31, including travel restrictions and mandatory quarantines. Throughout February as it spread, the CDC was making recommendations for quarantine and social distancing. Just as with anything else, the experts are usually ignored whenever they recommend anything inconvenient.

I'm an expert in regional emergency management, which means I have to see the national and global picture. You don't have to believe me and I'm not going to come back here to say I told you so. But trust me, we're in this for the long haul.