Calm the F**K Down! - What is wrong with everyone?

You didn't read the article either. Allen53 is not a retired pathologist. But there is definitely something pathological about him.

I don't expect much in the way of thoughtful responses to the post. Especially because of the reference to the flu - which has been forbidden. I think we know why.

Why are the alarmists NOT interested in total death rates? That would (could) bolster their position. Has Italy gone from 1,700 to 2,500 deaths per day or not? Honestly that number would enlighten all of us. I have no idea which "side" would be corroborated. Just release the numbers!

Name calling, invective, calls for banning, mocking, with an occasional reference to "exponential" are not convincing arguments. They sound desperate.

coronasceptic wrote:

I don't expect much in the way of thoughtful responses to the post. Especially because of the reference to the flu - which has been forbidden. I think we know why.

Why are the alarmists NOT interested in total death rates? That would (could) bolster their position. Has Italy gone from 1,700 to 2,500 deaths per day or not? Honestly that number would enlighten all of us. I have no idea which "side" would be corroborated. Just release the numbers!

Name calling, invective, calls for banning, mocking, with an occasional reference to "exponential" are not convincing arguments. They sound desperate.

And it would be great to get total death from all cause statistics now - not months from now when cardiovascular fitness has deteriorated, obesity has soared, and suicide rates escalate due to unemployment and poverty.

coronasceptic wrote:

I don't expect much in the way of thoughtful responses to the post. Especially because of the reference to the flu - which has been forbidden. I think we know why.

Why are the alarmists NOT interested in total death rates? That would (could) bolster their position. Has Italy gone from 1,700 to 2,500 deaths per day or not? Honestly that number would enlighten all of us. I have no idea which "side" would be corroborated. Just release the numbers!

Name calling, invective, calls for banning, mocking, with an occasional reference to "exponential" are not convincing arguments. They sound desperate.

And who are the "alarmists?" Dr Fauci, who says mitigation is crucial? Is there a country that has overreacted? If anything we could say most countries have been slow to respond and their populations have failed to take it seriously enough, with the result that they have little control over the spread of the virus and their health services aren't coping. It should also be recognised that no one - except Trump - is arguing that the data isn't important. But we are still learning about this disease. We don't have all the answers yet.

Why would anyone rely on Fauci? He has already proven himself to be unreliable. He has contradicted himself. He claimed that COVID was going to be ten times worse than the flu. He also claimed that it would only be the equivalent of what we see during a regular flu season. Which is it?

I guess he gets to say anything and people bow down- but he's definitely wrong on one of those two statements by definition.

And this is the "expert" you rely on?

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

- Upton Sinclair

Check this out! Some realistic measures on how to stop the spread:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/media/doctor-david-price-coronavirus.amp

Jesse Watters featured Dr. David Price of Weill Cornell Medical Center on "Watters' World" Saturday, where the New York City doctor gave advice on how people can prevent spreading the coronavirus.

"You may hear a little inflection in my voice like I'm emotional. It's not because I'm scared. It's actually the opposite. For the first time in a while, I'm actually not scared," Price said via video. "I work at probably the premier hospital in New York City. Our hospital is almost exclusively a COVID-19 hospital, but we're learning and we know a lot. And what I want you guys to know is that every single day we're getting better, we know more. And I am confident that the stuff I can tell you today should make you guys feel like when this comes to your community that you don't have to be scared and that you can protect your family."

Price went on say the virus is primarily transmitted by touching someone who has the virus and then touching your face.

"The ways that you get this is the transmission of the virus almost exclusively from your hands to your face, from your hands to your face and inside your eyes, into your nose or into your mouth," Price explained. "So there's a lot of talk about contact or getting it through contacts, hands to face."

The doctor also addressed the idea that the virus is transmitted by "long sustained contact" or through the air.

"There's also a small thought that it can be aerosolized, that it can kind of exist a little bit in the air," Price said. "The thought at this point is that you actually have to have very long sustained contact with someone. And I'm talking about over 15 to 30 minutes in an unprotected environment, meaning you're in a very closed room without any type of mask for you to get it that way."

"But very simply stated, the overwhelming majority of people are getting this by physically touching someone who has this disease or will develop it in the next one to two days and then touching their face," he pointed out.

"The thing that makes me smile a little bit is I actually know now that I won't get this disease because I know how to protect myself," Price said in the video.

My mom is being destroyed by confinement. It’s not trump’s fault and it won’t be part of the death count.

The rest of us will have to be smarter & more altruistic than trumpanzees to get through this.

I suggest the Upton Sinclair quote could easily apply to you. I don't see that an opinion, such as yours, that is continually opposed to that of the experts in this field - who are epidemiologists, not retired pathologists - could be driven by anything other than self-interest, if we exclude for the moment the possibility of sheer obtuseness.

Dr Fauci has never minimised the seriousness of the virus - that was his boss, the President. I would take Dr Fauci's expertise, which is acknowledged by his colleagues as the best in his field, over any other "expert" you choose to rely on. But every argument that you advance here comes down to one thing - that the crisis has been greatly exaggerated, if not a politically-motivated fiasco. There is not a country around the world that would agree with you - with the lone lunatic exception of Brazil's Bolsanaro. Good company you keep.

So hundreds of thousands of people around the world are giving the virus to complete strangers by touching them? Really? Is that why the advice is to keep a distance of at least 2 metres from others, even though most experts suggest it is because the virus is carried in the air from coughing or sneezing - or alternatively, we get it from touching surfaces infected by others? I'm wondering what drugs the doctor is on.

Armstronglivs wrote:

So hundreds of thousands of people around the world are giving the virus to complete strangers by touching them? Really? Is that why the advice is to keep a distance of at least 2 metres from others, even though most experts suggest it is because the virus is carried in the air from coughing or sneezing - or alternatively, we get it from touching surfaces infected by others? I'm wondering what drugs the doctor is on.

It's not only touching other people but the virus being present on surfaces I would imagine. What is the general consensus among the experts of how long the virus can remain on different surfaces? (e.g, metal, plastic, wood, etc.) If it could remain on different surfaces for few hours up to several hours or so, why couldn't it be picked up by others? For example, I'm at the grocery store the other day and several people are grabbing carts without sanitizing them though plenty of cloth sanitizers are available at the entrances. One guy I saw sneezes in his hands and grabs his cart doing his shopping. Who will be the next person to use that cart? Will they wipe it down? I never used to wipe down shopping cart handles until just recently. And what about smartphones that are shared among family members and friends? A contaminated phone can be touch by several family members in just one day. Same with computer keyboards and so on.

The doctor is spot on about acquiring pathogens by touching your mouth, nose or eyes. I work out regularly at the gym with the weights and don't wear gloves. I had a few good bacterial infections over the years where I inadvertently rubbec my eyes, scratched my nose and mouth, etc. There's tons of bacteria looming on barbells, dumbbells, machine grips, etc. It's difficult to refrain from touching your face. I've actually seen people pick their teeth with their fingers while working out with the weights! ?

There's also a significant inconsistency in the marketplace of Corona ideas. We're told that extreme measures are warranted because this is new, uncharted, unique, with unknown consequences. But listen to the experts.

I know there are highly educated, experienced medical professionals giving advice. But what makes this viral outbreak so unique that a worldwide Great Depression on steroids is urgently needed?

We don't have a vaccine isn't an answer.

....and another thing. The experts say that the flu season spans winter months in part because people are indoors (!) resulting in higher concentrations of airborne viruses and the reduced level of sunlight (!) and resulting deficient vitamin D levels. But listen to the experts and STAY INDOORS!

Essential watching for all on the stats.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=54XLXg4fYsc

British "expert" seems to be rethinking his predictions - basically saying "my bad".

Should the world continue using his original modeling anyway? ...to save lives?

https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/26/the-scientist-whose-doomsday-pandemic-model-predicted-armageddon-just-walked-back-the-apocalyptic-predictions/

Depends what we mean by "apocalyptic". Trump says his advisers have forecast that more than 2 million could die in the US if the disease is not contained and that 100,000 lives lost would be a "good" result. That's more than those who died from the Hiroshima A-bomb. Yeah - a good result.

But you need to catch it first before you take it home. That’s the point of a lock down. If you don’t have it and you’re at home, it doesn’t matter how confined, badly circulated they are is of how little sunlight you receive, there will be no virus. If traffic continued as normal with the combination of free movement and activities + indoors then it most definitely continue to spread.

The deaths. The overwhelmed hospitals. The young doctors and nurses that have been dying in all the effected countries. Record deaths in Italy and spAin since the war. Soon to be happening in other countries.

Allen53 wrote:

That's not my post- it's an article by a pathologist.

That you make such a statement shows the weakness of your position.

You represent one of the worst of reactionary elements and consistently attack people. This is to cover up that you have zero intellect and can't argue a case logically.

It's an opportunity to make your case stronger- you failed.

+1

Armstronglivs wrote:

Depends what we mean by "apocalyptic". Trump says his advisers have forecast that more than 2 million could die in the US if the disease is not contained and that 100,000 lives lost would be a "good" result. That's more than those who died from the Hiroshima A-bomb. Yeah - a good result.

You're fearmongering again (what's new). Fauci wrote in the NEJM just a few days ago that Covid-19 was more "akin" to a severe seasonal flu or the pandemics of 1957 & 1968 (neither one of those caused lockdowns nor grinding of the world economies to a halt!):

" This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively"

So, now Fauci changes his mind (again) and ratchets up the panic & fearmongering. Lol. Will he change his mind again? This autocrat is so out of tune of what's going on in America with these lockdowns. He doesn't have to worry about losing his job. He's financial taken care of for the future. He doesn't have to go out scavenging for food and supplies amidst empty shelves. He gets to work out in the WH gym (paid for by the taxpayers!!!) while the rest of us can't because of the forced closures of all the gyms/rec centers. Oh...boy - he's making some real sacrifices. Lol.

Btw, I think it's your turn to reply back to rekrunner on the blood doping thread. Lol. I gave up debated with him somewhere back on page 8 or 9. And now debating with you is just like debating with him. ?