Calm the F**K Down! - What is wrong with everyone?

yes but wrote:

coronasceptic wrote:

That's what's infuriating. There's a healthy debate going on everywhere - except the media and government. At least based upon public statements.

2/3 of the people I know think this is way over-hyped and are not "freaking out" the way Fox News says we are. And these are people following the news very closely.

I know it's counter-intuitive for some - but a lack of debate makes a viewpoint less credible.

Governments need to act on the best information they have in order to save lives. Not waste time fighting contrarians.

If they make the wrong call and more people die then they won’t get reelected, that’s democracy.

61 million H1N1 cases didn't stop Obama from getting reelected. I don't remember Martial Law back then.

Yet 14,000 Corona virus cases warrants eliminating civil liberties and creating 20% to 30% unemployment - to save lives?

just to really tick off everyone, the five day numbers are going to improve today, most likely. because five days ago the total deaths around the world took a big jump so we most likely won't keep up with that leap.

So we have been doubling deaths in less than five days but that will most likely slow today.

Sorry the news is getting a little better in some ways, thread.

agip I have been tracking Seattle/WA deaths and it has been linear at 3/day for weeks, an uptick to +10 and + 8 last two days, but with more spread out through the state so actual Seattle area looks fairly stable. Cautiously optimistic here also.

Giles Corey wrote:

sp2 wrote:

And blaming the media for reporting what's happening is just so *asinine*; all it does is diminish any credibility of anything else you might've had to say.

To not understand that the media is not to be trusted and exists to push the narrative of the ruling elites is beyond naive.

So you're talking about Fox News. The communications arm of the WH.

Well...... wrote:

Must admit, in the UK, I'm thinking they need to do more now, the balance isn't right. Too many oldies are just sitting about in places like Wetherspoons, whilst oddly younger folk seem to be taking it more seriously to try and protect them. Problem is a lot of younger people have to travel to work if critical, the oldies don't need to.

Some of them will be fine, and look healthy, but must admit, there's enough out there that I suspect should be tucked up in their home for a couple of months.

Here's a simple and good explanation of the UK government's containment strategy:

coronasceptic wrote:

yes but wrote:

Governments need to act on the best information they have in order to save lives. Not waste time fighting contrarians.

If they make the wrong call and more people die then they won’t get reelected, that’s democracy.

61 million H1N1 cases didn't stop Obama from getting reelected. I don't remember Martial Law back then.

Yet 14,000 Corona virus cases warrants eliminating civil liberties and creating 20% to 30% unemployment - to save lives?

So why do you think the US government is taking the steps it’s taking?

What information are they acting on?

yes but wrote:

So why do you think the US government is taking the steps it’s taking?

To hurt Trump's re-election campaign. He really doesn't want to be in charge anymore.

TTH wrote:

yes but wrote:

So why do you think the US government is taking the steps it’s taking?

To hurt Trump's re-election campaign. He really doesn't want to be in charge anymore.

And the rest of the world?

numbers from the big 3 will not be good today. Italy had a gruesome day.

we'll see how the world as a whole did.

numbers are very spiky tho -we've seen big bad days and then much better results the next day.

What's happening in Italy is so puzzling. They really don't seem to control the situation.

Spain looks pretty bad, too, now.

I hope France gets better, and becomes more like Germany.

My whole family is in Europe--sucks to know I can't visit them anytime soon.

agip wrote:

numbers from the big 3 will not be good today. Italy had a gruesome day.

we'll see how the world as a whole did.

numbers are very spiky tho -we've seen big bad days and then much better results the next day.

The world minus Italy is the important thing, not the world as a whole. Whatever happened in Italy has not happened anywhere else. Italy has more deaths than the rest of the non-China world combined. That's both reason to not panic elsewhere, and also to suspect the quality of their data.

And it is becoming crystal clear that their "lockdown" has had no effect. The vast majority of the cases they are still discovering were already infected ten days ago. How many confirmed cases did they have back then? This suggests real infection rates are 10 or more times higher than reported, and that is good news, not bad.

We already knew that only a limited stratum of the population is vulnerable. Resources should have been directed to isolating and protecting them, not the entire population. The sooner the population has gained immunity, the sooner the vulnerable will be safer. And conversely, they will NOT be safe until that immunity is gained. The "flatten the curve" viral propaganda is premised on the unfounded claim that lack of ICU capacity will happen everywhere and cause more elderly deaths than otherwise. But it is also possible that prolonging the period of time when the disease is highly prevalent in the general population will cause more elderly deaths. There is no data to prove either hypothesis, only an enraged, self-righteous mob insisting on the former.

And oh yeah, the flu has still killed a lot more than 11,000 people in the world this year. Human coronaviruses typically run out of steam in warm weather, so this one's probably running out of time to catch up.

sp2 wrote:

And blaming the media for reporting what's happening is just so *asinine*; all it does is diminish any credibility of anything else you might've had to say.

Giles Corey wrote:

To not understand that the media is not to be trusted and exists to push the narrative of the ruling elites is beyond naive.

Armstronglivs wrote:

So you're talking about Fox News. The communications arm of the WH.

All of the news, FOX, CNN, NBC, local news, all of them are terrible.

yes but wrote:

So why do you think the US government is taking the steps it’s taking?

What information are they acting on?

Because someone is pulling their strings.

Maybe the pharmaceutical companies, who appear to benefit the most from this mess.

Maybe Bill Gates, who has been heavily into big pharma products, like vaccines for things like covid19.

I'm pretty sure there's never been a successful vaccine for corona viruses, but that doesn't stop the misinformation.

It is time for Malcolm Gladwell to come out with a definitive statement that he is not Bad Wigins and officially dissociate himself from this nonesense, lest his own reputation be ruined.

yes but wrote:

coronasceptic wrote:

61 million H1N1 cases didn't stop Obama from getting reelected. I don't remember Martial Law back then.

Yet 14,000 Corona virus cases warrants eliminating civil liberties and creating 20% to 30% unemployment - to save lives?

So why do you think the US government is taking the steps it’s taking?

What information are they acting on?

Trump knows he'll be crucified in the lock-step media and by liberal politicians so he's taken the one-upsmanship approach. He's trying to outdo the liberals by promising more non-existent dollars than they are and by matching their Martial Law rhetoric. If he were to call this out as a hoax - the way candidate Trump did for Global Warming - he's afraid the phony outcry will be deafening.

Not defending this approach , by the way.

coronasceptic wrote:

yes but wrote:

So why do you think the US government is taking the steps it’s taking?

What information are they acting on?

Trump knows he'll be crucified in the lock-step media and by liberal politicians so he's taken the one-upsmanship approach. He's trying to outdo the liberals by promising more non-existent dollars than they are and by matching their Martial Law rhetoric. If he were to call this out as a hoax - the way candidate Trump did for Global Warming - he's afraid the phony outcry will be deafening.

Not defending this approach , by the way.

So now Trump’s afraid of the fake news media? Right.

Got anymore?

I disagreed with you when you started this thread. Now you have a point. People are needlessly freaking out. The pendulum has switched.

The US has resilient people. This is a temporary event. It's not the beginning of a great depression like zerohedge wants people to believe. We'll bounce back.

weather the storm wrote:

I disagreed with you when you started this thread. Now you have a point. People are needlessly freaking out. The pendulum has switched.

The US has resilient people. This is a temporary event. It's not the beginning of a great depression like zerohedge wants people to believe. We'll bounce back.

The economy will get going again. It's a recession for sure, but we come out of recessions stronger. Sometimes recessions are short lived. In the meantime, follow the advice of the experts and yes stop panicking.

coronasceptic wrote:

Trump knows he'll be crucified in the lock-step media and by liberal politicians so he's taken the one-upsmanship approach.

Getting "crucified in the lock-step media and by liberal politicians" has been a major component of Trump's political strategy. Why do you think he is suddenly reluctant to use this strategy?