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Some remarks on the Corona virus – Greetings from Denmark
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nobigdealll wrote:
Why should we be responsible for the bad lifestyle choices of others. You post like its just a condition - born runner or born fatty slob. The fact is these people chose to live this way. They've been laughing at my healthy choices - haha, you abstain from fried food at all the meals. Now you're saying they shouldn't be penalized much for how bad they live and how much of my tax dollars they cost me? Hmm...[/quote]
Okay tough guy. Who are you talking about here, anyway? Are you not related to, friends with, neighbors with any older person who has lived a good life, but hasn't chosen to run 50 miles a week for years? This is the worst kind of right-wing "personal responsibility" mythology . Plus, who's to say that you will not come in contact with this disease and find out that your ow lungs are vulnerable? Or that you won't break your leg tomorrow and be turned away from the hospital because, "why should be responsible for the lifestyle choices" that led you to break your leg? -
I read that WHO stated that Covid-19 is not nearly as contagious as the typical flu. Yet I heard reports on US television stating it's ten times as contagious. Then another station two hours later stating 40 times as contagious? Good grief!
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borders closed in Denmark. Stay healthy.
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This is good and accurate information, thanks for sharing
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drthjdsrht wrote:
I read that WHO stated that Covid-19 is not nearly as contagious as the typical flu.
It's very likely not even contagious at all. -
Will the 30 day lock down of the country work Loke? Interesting rise in the Scandinavian countries.
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And your institution held surgical grand rounds yesterday? Hopefully via teleconference - otherwise your eminent hospital is imminently in big trouble.
Good luck to you all. This is rough. -
Directly from Italy I believe in this doctor
https://m.huffingtonpost.it/amp/entry/la-virologa-gismondo-60-70-di-italiani-sara-positivo-ma-non-preoccupiamoci_it_5e6bba13c5b6bd8156f6b865/ -
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English auto-translation:
CULTURE
Virologist Gismondo: "60-70% of Italians will be positive, but let's not worry"
The opinion of the director of the clinical microbiology laboratory of the Sacco hospital in Milan, speaking on the microphones of the transmission "Italy has awakened"
03/13/2020 18:24 CET | Updated 17 hours ago
HuffPost
“We all know that this virus is spreading far more in the population than we are seeing. 60-70% of the population will soon be positive. But we don't have to worry. As the numbers increase, we will realize that this virus is less deadly than we can think of now. " Maria Rita Gismondo, director of the clinical microbiology laboratory of the Sacco hospital in Milan, spoke at the microphones of the transmission "Italy is awake", from the broadcaster of the university Niccolò Cusano.
"This virus, in most cases, is either silent or gives us flu-like symptoms in 90% of cases," he continues, "There are 10% of people who need to be hospitalized. Borrelli has told us several times that the most affected areas are the elderly with 1 or 4 pathologies. The virus was therefore an aggravating factor. To date, the data of direct death from coronaviruses are very scarce, there is talk of some units ".
The virologist also talks about young people in intensive care: “Medicine is never an exact science, therefore it does not mean that there can be no cases of some young person. However, we have to see the curve, we have to talk about most cases. We have to go see if there are other diseases. Today the average age of the deceased is 81-83 years, the healed are almost double the number of people who are hospitalized in intensive care. I don't say that the situation is rosy. "
A drastic drop in cases would be expected in a couple of weeks, but “we cannot think that the virus will disappear in two weeks, it will accompany us for a few more months, but it is one thing to have 30 hospitalized in intensive care, another thing is to have 3000 ".
On the possibility that the heat is an ally against the coronavirus. “It is true that when we go to the heat the respiratory viruses drop in their presence, but this is mainly due to our habits because during the winter we crowd in the premises and it is much easier to stay closer. In the summer we are more outdoors and this helps us to be less exposed to viruses ". -
No more wet markets
Watch this please
https://youtu.be/Y7nZ4mw4mXw
https://youtu.be/TPpoJGYlW54
Please pass this on to friends urge them to contact their congressman senators -
jesseriley wrote:
Thanks again, Loke. Maybe you can make an audio version for trump lol. Everyone else can read.
I repeat. ... shove it you rabid Commie. Go back to reading up on your hero Stalin. -
Agree with the medical analysis. Politically & economically, there were massive repercussions in Italy, but they already had healthcare for all, they didn’t have to change course.
Here we have trumpanzees who know their brief reign is over, and they can’t handle it, can’t even get out of the way while the adults address it. -
FinnJ wrote:
I work as a nurse in Norway and it's so frustrating to see that the US government do so little and that people here don't take it seriously. Why cant they see to Europe>
Honey, we did take it seriously, basically banning travel from China. Sadly, Europe didn't do that.
And when Trump did do that - what did people like you do? Complain about how it was irresponsible.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/01/31/as-far-right-calls-for-china-travel-ban-health-experts-warn-coronavirus-response-would-suffer/
https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/trump-expanded-travel-ban-benefits-china-by-cobus-van-staden-2020-02 -
One reason we’re so far behind Europe is that, back in January, trump refused the WHO tests developed in Germany. So now we don’t have tests.
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The 7aji:
One of the effects of “flattening the courve” is that the peak of the virus is lowered and also postponed a bit. As mentioned, we are in the midst of some very drastic social distancing measurements. Hopefully this will work. At the moment the danish government hopes/expects, that the virus will peak late april/early may. Of course, its impossible to know for sure.
After the peak, we probably will be looking into loosening some of the measurement. But, personally, I doubt very much that the Copenhagen Marathon will take place as planned. That is just too many people crowded, too early on in the process. But I don’t have insider knowledge, and i can’t say for sure. But I would definitely look into plan B.
Coahc:
We all pray that it will work. The number of Corona infected people is not rising significantly at the moment. But actually, we have stopped looking to much into this exact number. When the danish government, about a week ago, went from phase 1 (where it tried to contain the virus) to phase 2 (where the aim is to soften its impact) it stopped testing everbody who had symptoms. People nowadays, who have symptoms, are told to self-quarantine and only get in touch with medical services if it is imperative. So most of these infected people will not get tested and they will not figure in the statistics.
However, we are at the moment seeing some drastic increases in the number of people who need medical service and in the number of people who need intensive care.
The great bottleneck in the process, in Denmark, may be the number of skilled medical staff. Especially nurses are in demand. Normally, when a patient is in intensiv care, hooked on to some sort of a ventilator, you have one nurse keeping an eye on the patient, all the time. One nurse per patient. Foreseeing the difficulties ahead, the hospitals have been puting aside regular acitivities in order to educate nursese in intensive care. Also the government has urged medical students and retired medical staff to enlist themselves, in order to aid in the battle, if necessary. Luckily, a massive amount of these people have registered for this job. As a bynote I can mention, that one of our best male runners, Thijs Nijhuis, who just qualified for the Marathon at the Olympics, running 2:10:57, is actually studying medicine. And he is one of those many people who are setting all things else aside, if necessary, in order to aid in the battle against the virus. Credits to him and all the others.
I was present at the World Cross Championship in Aarhus 2019. It was a great day. I was on the museum roof with a cold bear and cheered for all the runners. If you ran, I probably cheered for you too!
Take care!
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Interesting that the delay phase involves reducing testing numbers.
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jesseriley wrote:
Interesting that the delay phase involves reducing testing numbers.
What you don't understand is that extensively testing is only usefull in 2 distinct phases.
At first it should be made available if possible to every suspect case and people having been in contact with suspect cases, as well as people coming from infected countries.
The goal then is to quarantine them and have the ability to release people with a good degree of confidence after that quarantine.
The other moment where it is important, is when the peak is passed, to assess the so-called herd immunity and who is still contagious, ti decide if containment measures can be lifted.
Between these two periods, testing only serves the purpose of falsly reassuring those who are not yet positive to the test. It does nothing to the chances of recovery of people testing positive, and it costs time from laboratory people who actually could have something more productive to do. I understand that the subject of test availability is politically strong in the US, but seriously by now you should assume it is everywhere already and you should do social distanciation, frequent hand washing and all these things. Focusing on tests as a whole now is almost counter-productive. There might be a case though for states with very few cases. -
Merci, mon ami!
But I do understand. Other people here are quoting “test” numbers without any idea that testing goes up & down randomly, based on strategy.
Here in Arkansas USA, 99.99% of people have not been tested. There are no mandatory restrictions. It is worrisome, nothing is being done. -
Also, we have so few tests, so we don’t test SICK people (unless it’s an emergency).
Normally a doctor would test, but tests are being severely rationed.
It’s easier to just assume the patient has coronavirus, and politically popular, too, since it is not “confirmed.”
