You can find it all on this forum - the good, the great, the worst and everything in between. Sometimes the great is overlooked by most people. You can not sure in many cases if you don't have the facts.
For example, look at the WHO website and what they say about travel restrictions. It is the opposite what the US and other countries are doing. What does this mean to you? To me it means one of the few top authorities on this devastating virus is wrong!
To me it means our President chose to apply a travel ban because it gave the appearance of decisive action.
But it's abundantly clear that the EU (but not UK, of course!) travel ban is at best useless, as the WHO clearly explains. That ship has sailed; that horse has left the barn.
Our primary vector is people like Rudy Gobert taking the situation too lightly.
Yes, there is such a range on this website and some of these posts are a great example. Just so much nonsense on here that it is hard to separate the good from the bad.
How deadly these viral pandemic are is not a static number. If the Spanish flu occurred today I would hope that the mortality rate would be significantly lower and the mortality rate should be considerably lower if the health care systems are not overwhelmed.
From the NYT:
Italy’s Health Care System Groans Under Coronavirus — a Warning to the World
In less than three weeks, the virus has overloaded hospitals in northern Italy, offering a glimpse of what countries face if they cannot slow the contagion.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/world/europe/12italy-coronavirus-health-care.html
The Italian population has a much higher population of older people. Plus like twice as many Italians smoke. These two factors may have greatly contributed to the situation.
Also, there's 60 million Italians. They have what, 15,000 cases? Even if that had 150,000 they got a long, long way to go to 60 million!
I'm not trying to diminish the seriousness of the coronavirus but the article you posted is complete malarkey. The author has zero background in medicine or stats but is miserably attempting to masquerade as an expert in both. As soon as I saw his charts not using log scales I knew it was junk. He also states that there are a lot of unknown cases but then uses only the known cases in the denominator to calculate the mortality rate. If there are so many unknown cases, then the mortality rate is much lower.
I've watched that, and I agree. Also read that article that OFFS linked to, which I also highly recommend. Anyone wasting time arguing back and forth on this board would better spend their time first watching and reading those links. They have good, non-political information. This isn't a political issue.
YoureWrong wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSwlisten to this
OFFS wrote:
I like letsrun in general. But I've always felt that the boards, populated (apparently) by young male runners confused about why their ability to run around an oval a couple standard deviations faster than the average hobby jogger doesn't get them laid more, kinda sucked, with their horrible signal-to-noise ratio, and incredible density of snark.
But this thread might make the Hall of Fame. Some of you are actively promoting viewpoints that, if followed, will get people killed.
Italy's diagnosed coronavirus caseload has risen 30x in the past two weeks, and they are indeed being forced to ration care. It's really bad, and there's no way we want to replicate that.
And the reason it got that bad is that Italy reacted too slowly.
The key to reacting to a pandemic of this sort is to act fast, and act smart. This means social distancing, now, full stop. The reason why everything is cancelled is not because the decision-makers are cowardly, or selfish, or somehow flawed. They are doing the right thing, because the (non-trivial) costs of acting too aggressively are way smaller than the costs of reacting too slowly. Ask Italy. Or China for that matter.
For those of you looking for more info: You can start with this overview:
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca.
But please do not listen to people on letsrun saying we are over-reacting. If anything we in the US have acted too slowly. We literally don't know how many cases we have in this country due to our slow response to get a good test produced and distributed. It's going to get worse.
I don't trust these board to get good training advice; there's no way in hell I'm coming here for insight on public health policy!
Res ipsa loquitur
Things only speak for themselves when the facts are known. What's the difference from an experts and from the best experts? The best experts simply know more.
There are things more important than a stupid race or an athletic achievement. Stop being selfish and thing about what is good for humanity for a change.
update: 1 in 1.4 million humans dead of epic plague!
One of every 1.4 million. DEAD. Be very afraid!
Bad Wigins wrote:
update: 1 in 1.4 million humans dead of epic plague!
One of every 1.4 million. DEAD. Be very afraid!
I see all your predictions about the virus so far on the forum were spot-on.
You sir are a genius.
This is Christmas to terrorists
"I don't trust these board to get good training advice; there's no way in hell I'm coming here for insight on public health policy!"
Exactly! This board is only good for career, investing, parenting, and dating advice.
OP's post is the most sane rational thing I've seen written online about the virus. The nuclear bomb we are doing to the world economy right now in "an abundance of caution" is infinitely more dangerous and deadly than the virus itself. And that's just a fact.
RIP: D3 All-American Frank Csorba - who ran 13:56 in March - dead
RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
Running for Bowerman Track Club used to be cool now its embarrassing
Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year
Hats off to my dad. He just ran a 1:42 Half Marathon and turns 75 in 2 months!
2017 World 800 champ Pierre-Ambroise Bosse banned 1 year for whereabouts failures