10 DAYS TO COLLAPSE, warns Tom Bossert former Homeland Security Advisor

Yep. It's hard not to notice that the vast majority of the morons spewing this idiocy are Trumpists.

Occasionally, there's a really stupid Progressive spouting similar attitudes, but 95% of it comes from 'Pubs. What a shock.

What PDX? wrote:

I looked at the numbers. For the number of cases, Oregon has the worst response in the country. They don't want to close schools because it would hurt low income workers. The governor is doing some cap and trade thing. Shamrock run still on? Basketball still going on when NCAA cancelled fans? Unbelievable. Is Oregon a red state?

Race was canceled. Governor cancels gatherings of over 250 people for the next 4 weeks.

Drink more Corona beer wrote:

Medicare for all looked never better.

Vote for Bernie right now.

Medicare for all wouldn't help this. It obviously hasn't done much for Italy, Spain, etc. And for people talking about how hospitals have plenty of beds have never tried getting someone admitted to a hospital or gone to a doctor since Obamacare went into effect. Of the 14 million who were newly insured after Obamacare went into effect, most (11.8 million) were due to the expansion of Medicaid. There are only about 10% uninsured in this country now, so it would be of little consequence. When they were added, wait times for doctors, hospitals (and yes, even emergency rooms) all went up. Getting more people preventative care wouldn't help curb an epidemic.

My mother-in-law had a rare infectious disease a couple years ago. She had to go to urgent care twice and the emergency room once before they would admit her. We probably spent close to 20 hours in waiting rooms (and that was when there was no pandemic going on) as the hospitals were at pretty much full capacity back then. Part of the reasons our hospital was already at capacity is because our other hospital in town went belly up due to the increase in the number of Medicaid patients in their patient pool from the expansion in Medicaid. What the Bernie Sanders types don't understand is that Medicare and Medicaid do not reimburse enough to cover costs in many locations, so many small town and rural hospitals are not able to remain open (119 have folded in the US since 2010). The ugly truth about Medicare for all would be:

Lower reimbursements from a single government provider and elimination of private insurance = fewer hospitals and less spare capacity.

10% more people insured with the same supply of doctors, nurses, PAs, etc. = longer wait times for care and decreased incentive to become a doctor, nurse, PA, etc. as pay would likely be cut under the government system.

Do illegal aliens really clog up emergency rooms for free medical care?

Obviously asking for a friend.

Wuhan-400 wrote:

Washington State will probably first to be fully quarantined, then Portland Oregon.

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We should have quarantined Portland years ago.

a human wrote:

Did you not know that cases are growing at an average of 20% a day outside China?

That's fake news.

The virus has been around since 2003 and probably long before that.

It is no big deal, but the governments are trying to stir up the public. This is very similar to the 911 fiasco.

Bad Wigins wrote:

There are more than 6,000 hospitals in the US, and only 1040 confirmed cases of COVID-19. Even in the unlikely event that the case load increases by a consistent 5% per day, there will still be only 2600 cases 20 days from now. The hospitals would have to flip a coin to see who gets one.

The only infrastructure that could possibly be overwhelmed is whoever is in charge of dealing with mobs of panicky idiots. Fortunately there are vigilantes like me helping out.

https://www.aha.org/statistics/fast-facts-us-hospitals

You are a fool of epic proportions. Unfortunately in this case you are also a dangerous fool.

1) The COVID-19 virus is currently growth by 17% PER DAY worldwide.

2) The US is NOT TESTING. What part of "not testing" do you no understand. There are certainly over 5,000 cases in the US today.

3) In just 3 weeks there will be well over 100,000 cases in the US. 3 weeks later there will be over 2 MILLION. Do you think the US health care system is ready for this?

People are going to die. Lots of people are going to die. And many of them because of fools like you who have trouble understanding numbers or perhaps just don't give a sh!t about the consequences of their words.

"It is impossible for words to describe what is necessary to those who do not know what geometric growth means. Geometric growth. Geometric growth has a face ... and you must make a friend of geometric growth. Geometric growth and parametric statistics are your friends. If they are not, then they are enemies to be feared. They are truly enemies."

sp2 wrote:

Yep. It's hard not to notice that the vast majority of the morons spewing this idiocy are Trumpists.

Occasionally, there's a really stupid Progressive spouting similar attitudes, but 95% of it comes from 'Pubs. What a shock.

AOC was just on about the virus just being an white racism. You should learn to hide your Leftist views, if you can't reform of your evil ways, because you're about to find out that 99.9% that have food, water, and firearms are conservatives; and they're the people you're going to be needing to be begging from.

CDC doesn't want to test.

Wuhan-400 wrote:

you're about to find out that 99.9% that have food, water, and firearms are conservatives; and they're the people you're going to be needing to be begging from.

Are they going to shoot the virus?

Ohio's top public-health official said during a press conference on Thursday where the state's governor announced a three-week closure of all schools in the state that her office estimates that as many as 117,000 people in the state have already been infected with the novel coronavirus.https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=26&v=MiUyGfDJ76g&feature=emb_logohttps://www.zerohedge.com/political/states-top-health-official-says-we-believe-100000-people-already-infected-covid-19-ohio Maryland & Ohio cancel schools for weeks.

dunes runner wrote:

Wuhan-400 wrote:

you're about to find out that 99.9% that have food, water, and firearms are conservatives; and they're the people you're going to be needing to be begging from.

Are they going to shoot the virus?

No, guns are self defense from "zombies," people, mostly Democrats and other fellow traveler Leftists who will be trying to rob and murder people during SHTF time.

fisky wrote:

Using a screen capture of the ARCGIS website data on 29 Jan showing 7,783 cases and today's total of 121,564 cases (11 Mar), it works out to a compounding rate of about 7%/day. At that rate, we should reach 500,000 cases in three weeks and 1M cases in about a month.

This isn't a forecast or an opinion, it's just an extrapolation of data.

Misleading and meaningless. It didn't grow at a constant 7% and there are no grounds to assume it will in the future either.

It went through a fast growth phase in China and then leveled off. Then it started another fast growth phase as it went global, and once again started leveling off. The log-scale plot of cases outside China has been concave-down since Feb 29th, which means the growth rate is steadily decreasing. That curve is what you should be extrapolating, and it's questionable whether it will even hit 100k.

Meanwhile, the latest "It's just the flu, bro" and "Everything is normal" news out of China:

Wuhan-400 wrote:

sp2 wrote:

Yep. It's hard not to notice that the vast majority of the morons spewing this idiocy are Trumpists.

Occasionally, there's a really stupid Progressive spouting similar attitudes, but 95% of it comes from 'Pubs. What a shock.

AOC was just on about the virus just being an white racism. You should learn to hide your Leftist views, if you can't reform of your evil ways, because you're about to find out that 99.9% that have food, water, and firearms are conservatives; and they're the people you're going to be needing to be begging from.

CDC doesn't want to test.

https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-tested-only-77-people-this-week-coronavirus-testing-slow-around-the-nation-153646616.htmlhttps://www.miamiherald.com/news/health-care/article241109776.htmlhttps://theweek.com/speedreads/901770/entire-country-norway-shutting-downhttps://www.ctpost.com/news/article/Iran-s-coronavirus-burial-pits-are-so-vast-15125717.php

No.

dunes runner wrote:

Are they going to shoot the virus?

Wuhan-400 wrote:

No, guns are self defense from "zombies," people, mostly Democrats and other fellow traveler Leftists who will be trying to rob and murder people during SHTF time.

The virus has affected your brain, and you have totally lost your marbles.

Bugman LARPer types want this to be bad, so they feel vindicated. Watching the death toll rise gives them the same pleasure they receive when they level up in WoW. Ignore these creeps.

This is an ugly nasty thing, but not world-ending. Containment measures are guaranteed to be ramped up, and rapidly. It's gonna be a tough couple of months, but we're not doomed.

This is a hilarious post and I'm an engineer and guilty of acting like a KnowItAll, hence my username.

Drink more Corona beer wrote:

Americans can't afford to pay for the treatment. So my guess is the hospitals won't get overrun.

Also nobody is able to take sick leave.

Vote for Bernie Sanders if you want a better health care system.

Don't worry Kaiser and the like will get their bailout. Moreover, they will milk this. California is already paying kaiser for the corona virus tests they do.

We are screwed. Last week, my area was just getting the first positive tests. Health officials were going around and tracking down contacts to advise self quarantine. Then, my kids school district reported that six employees were under self quarantine due to recent travel. Now, this week, a kid's dad at my son's elementary school was supposed to be under self quarantine because he was in contact with a positive COVID 19 case. He ignored the quarantine, sent his kid to school and was on campus to drop the kid off and pick him up. When confronted, he went all Fox News about it being a hoax. Now, school is cancelled district wide until April because there are numerous reports of teachers, staff, parents and students having to self quarantine because of contact with positive test results. Official word from health officials is that there are only 18 confirmed cases in a city of millions. But the unofficial word is that the number is completely wrong because it just reports cases confirmed by the CDC, which is heavily backlogged. There are probably a few hundred cases of presumptive COVID 19, but testing is only being done on those with direct contact to a confirmed case or recent travel to a hot spot. So, the virus is out there and spreading without anyone having any idea how fast and how far and wide. At this point, any debate about statistics is just pure speculation as we are probably months away from having comprehensive testing data.