If she runs a 1500 or 5 k, she'd have to find her own pace. So far she's been able to sit and use her strength. The distance and quality in those other events will stretch her capabilities more if it becomes a race. If they jerk the pace around in a 5k, she'll be at a disadvantage.
ebolaSuzanne wrote:
If she runs a 1500 or 5 k, she'd have to find her own pace. So far she's been able to sit and use her strength. The distance and quality in those other events will stretch her capabilities more if it becomes a race. If they jerk the pace around in a 5k, she'll be at a disadvantage.
She can't run the 1500 and she'll be at a disadvantage in any scenario in the 5.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
ebolaSuzanne wrote:
If she runs a 1500 or 5 k, she'd have to find her own pace. So far she's been able to sit and use her strength. The distance and quality in those other events will stretch her capabilities more if it becomes a race. If they jerk the pace around in a 5k, she'll be at a disadvantage.
She can't run the 1500 and she'll be at a disadvantage in any scenario in the 5.
16:05 at altitude and definitely not training for it. She could make the final. Not gonna medal but still.
Steeple is probably best shot at a medal. She’s tall so the barriers are little for her. Accelerating after each barrier is a bit easier for someone with her speed. Still, tough to see her making it.
Someone previously mentioned she could do well in the LJ, TJ, HJ, etc. Haha....Not a chance! Especially in the HJ, nooooooo way.
How about the new super short triathlon relay?
Cycling?
If you try to compare migration to systematic oppression of a race, you are an idiot.
ebolaSuzanne wrote:
If she runs a 1500 or 5 k, she'd have to find her own pace. So far she's been able to sit and use her strength. The distance and quality in those other events will stretch her capabilities more if it becomes a race. If they jerk the pace around in a 5k, she'll be at a disadvantage.
Yep. Semenya would have to get into 14:35 shape to have a shot at a medal (and not even a good shot). Every single woman who has won a medal at 5000m at the world championships in the last 17 years has achieved a PR of 14:35 or faster during their career (14 women). So 14:35 seems to be a bit of a magical number in terms of being competitive at 5k on the world stage.
Here is every olympic and world championship medalist at 5k sorted by PR
Tirunesh Dibaba - 14:11 (gold 2003, gold 2005, bronze 2012 olympics, gold 2008 olympics, bronze 2004 olympics)
Almaz Ayana - 14:12 (gold 2015, silver 2017, bronze 2016 olympics)
Meseret Defar - 14:12 (gold 2013, bronze 2011, gold 2009, gold 2007, silver 2005, gold 2012 olympics, bronze 2008 olympics, gold 2004 olympics)
Genzebe Dibaba - 14:15 (bronze 2015)
Hellen Obiri - 14:18 (gold 2019, gold 2017, silver 2016 olympics)
Vivian Cheruiyot - 14:20 (gold 2011, gold 2009, silver 2007, gold 2016 olympics, silver 2012 olympics)
Sifan Hassan - 14:22 (bronze 2017)
Senbere Teferi - 14:23 (silver 2015)
Elvan Abeylegesse - 14:24 (silver 2008 olympics)
Margaret Chelimo Kipkemboi -14:27 (silver 2019)
Konstanze Klosterhalfen 14:26 (bronze 2019)
Sylvia Jebiwott Kibet -14:31 (silver 2011, silver 2009)
Ejegayehu Dibaba - 14:32 (bronze 2005)
Mercy Cherono - 14:33 (silver 2013)
Priscah Jepleting Cherono - 14:35 (bronze - 2007)
Isabella Ochichi - 14:38 (silver 2004 Olympics)
poiuuu wrote:
RunRagged wrote:
The story in the OP says that Semenya made the quoted comments in an interview with Netwerk24, which is an Afrikaans news service that operates as an aggregator of the South African press reported and written in Afrikaans.
(For those who aren't familiar with it, Afrikaans is a SA derivative of Dutch that evolved from of the "mother tongue" of the white European "settlers" who began colonizing SA in the 17th century and later went on to institute the racist and barbaric system of white supremacist laws and customs known as apartheid - which was held in place through brutal, often murderous, means from 1948 to the early 1990s.)
The original interview that these cryptic remarks of Semenya's come from apparently has not been released in its entirety in English so far: the link embedded in the article shared in the OP leads to a page in which all the material is in Afrikaans. Therefore, it's impossible for someone who doesn't speak Afrikaans to figure out exactly what Semenya said and in what context, and what the quoted fragments really mean.
If anyone on LRC reads and speaks Afrikaans, a translation of the original interview would be much appreciated!
Until we get the whole story, I'm hesitant to interpret the bits and pieces reported in English so far as meaning Semenya is planning to compete in the 2020 Olympics. All we know at this point is that Semenya has intimated that she hopes to be "at the Olympics" in some capacity that will surprise and please fans in SA.
My guess is Semenya might be planning to go to the upcoming Olympics as an on-air press commentator, a SA sports official or advisor, or as a celebrity rep of longtime sponsor Nike or another outfit.
Right, when Europeans move to Africa and apply their laws, it's colonization and racism. But when millions of Arabs and Africans move to Europe, and take their Sharia law with them, it's diversity and multiculturalism. Thanks for the reminder. Not surprising that you fail to mention the ongoing genocide against whites in South Africa.
I can only see the title of the original article:
https://www.netwerk24.com/Sport/Olimpiese-Spele/semenya-beplan-nuwe-roete-na-tokio-20200304"Semanya beplan nuwe roete na Tokio" means Semanya plans a new route to Tokio.
I will try to translate the full article if someone can post it.
Only on Letsrun is the apartheid NOT racist hahahaaa
Not really a fan of this athlete
You have to subscribe to Network 24 to read the whole article. The headline translation is correct
She made the comment comment at Rosebank, (which is a suburb of Johannesburg) when introduced as a brand ambassador for Bridgestone Tyres, a tire manufacturer who sponsor the South African Olympic Team.
greatest coach in the galaxy wrote:
16:05 at altitude and definitely not training for it. She could make the final. Not gonna medal but still.
Steeple is probably best shot at a medal. She’s tall so the barriers are little for her. Accelerating after each barrier is a bit easier for someone with her speed. Still, tough to see her making it.
One typically needs ca. 15:00-05 ability to make a final and ca. 14:30-35 for a medal. Semenya could achieve the former (and with a good kick have a chance in a not too fast heat) but no chance for a negatively split sub 14:30 final as the last one was and as the next one will probably be. There will always be at least one runner not interested in a tactical race and there are several who can frontrun sub 14:30.
I think people underestimate the steeple. Eilish Mccolgan is tall and sucked at steeple (about a minute slower steeple best than 3k flat).
Semenya's best mark at a similar distance was a 5:38 2k early in 2019, which means she could run around 8:35-40 flat. But it's anyone's guess if this would translate to a 9:10-15 (probably not enough for medals, but maybe barely) or rather to a 9:25-35 steeple which would hardly make the final.
Why is no one here talking about the fact that Caster just ran a 300m after 6 months of downtime and broke the SA national record with a 36.78 ? To put this in perspective this beats Sydney Mclaughlin's national high school record of 36.82. What does this say about Caster's chances in the 200m?
Wrestling would be good. She's powerful.
ocin14 wrote:
Why is no one here talking about the fact that Caster just ran a 300m after 6 months of downtime and broke the SA national record with a 36.78 ? To put this in perspective this beats Sydney Mclaughlin's national high school record of 36.82. What does this say about Caster's chances in the 200m?
Good point. Maybe heading towards the 200m?
Someone mentioned she joined a football/soccer team. Maybe we'll see her on the SA women's soccer team - her XY speed, superior strength and bulkiness compared to the other XX women will suit her very well there, and create an enormous advantage? When is the team named, wouldn't she have to go through qualification etc for that?
J2k wrote:
Wrestling would be good. She's powerful.
That's what I was thinking. Or boxing, perhaps. She has the physicality but would have to pick up the skills and I'm not sure how long that would take. How about something like Rugby?
LetsRun.com wrote:
Semenya says, "I’m going to surprise you … and you’re going to like the surprise. My biggest goal remains to be at the Olympics and I will work hard to achieve that. No ruling is going to get in the way of that.”
So what is it? She can't compete in events from 400m to a mile. So does she step up to the 5000m (she ran a 16:05.97 PB at altitude last year to win South African Champs) or is she going to compete in another sport entirely? She joined a South African soccer club last fall.
https://www.sport24.co.za/OtherSport/Athletics/semenya-vows-to-race-at-tokyo-olympics-but-not-in-800m-20200305
I'm still confused as to what she is.
Can anyone explain it to me?
What does she have? I really don't seem to get it.
I have no clue what she is. ....
Not trying to be rude or sarcastic either. I just don't get what she is or what she has...
I need details.
matt_london_413 wrote:
LetsRun.com wrote:
Semenya says, "I’m going to surprise you … and you’re going to like the surprise. My biggest goal remains to be at the Olympics and I will work hard to achieve that. No ruling is going to get in the way of that.”
So what is it? She can't compete in events from 400m to a mile. So does she step up to the 5000m (she ran a 16:05.97 PB at altitude last year to win South African Champs) or is she going to compete in another sport entirely? She joined a South African soccer club last fall.
https://www.sport24.co.za/OtherSport/Athletics/semenya-vows-to-race-at-tokyo-olympics-but-not-in-800m-20200305I'm still confused as to what she is.
Can anyone explain it to me?
What does she have? I really don't seem to get it.
I have no clue what she is. ....
Not trying to be rude or sarcastic either. I just don't get what she is or what she has...
I need details.
As I understand it (anyone, correct me if wrong): Caster is an XY male, with a genetic disorder that meant her testes didn't descend. She was likely born with 'indeterminate' genitalia. In 3rd world countries/areas with high ignorance levels, they'll often 'clip' a proto-penis or otherwise surgically 'chop' anything that looks odd, and declare the baby a 'girl'. As adolescence approaches, the 'girl' becomes very obviously male in phenotype.
Aside from her (probably surgically clipped) genitalia, she's a biological man, with levels of testosterone and hormones (and heart, muscle and skeletal structure etc) like a man. Definitely a hormonal, genetic and physical profile that is 'male' and in no way 'female'. It is questionable whether she's even considers herself psychologically female (unless it comes making millions off beating lots of actual women who are far superior athletes): she even married a woman (who was wearing a white dress, whilst Caster wore the suit...). It's why she looks so male and can blast the world's top women in the final 50-100m with masculine levels of superior strength and speed. Because she is biologically-speaking...
The whole thing is a massive joke, because Caster is not even a particularly good male club runner. It's kind of why we have 'women's sport' and 'men's sport. Because women's sport is dead if males like Caster (in fact, the entire top 3 at the last women's 800m Olympic games) are allowed to continue competing. Wait until an actual half-talented male comes along and poses as female..
Adifan wrote:
I'm sure she can win any even she actually tries at. She sandbagged her way to multiple golds in the 800m. I can see a 200m win on the cards.
Off what evidence?
It's time to get humans with testosterone-producing gonads (what are those called again?) out of women's sports, period.
Also, is Caster Semenya a stupid human being? "I don't care about rulings, just you wait!" isn't a good reason to print an interview with someone unless the idea is to embarrass the interviewee.
jonnyjinlondon wrote:
matt_london_413 wrote:
I'm still confused as to what she is.
Can anyone explain it to me?
What does she have? I really don't seem to get it.
I have no clue what she is. ....
Not trying to be rude or sarcastic either. I just don't get what she is or what she has...
I need details.
As I understand it (anyone, correct me if wrong): Caster is an XY male, with a genetic disorder that meant her testes didn't descend. She was likely born with 'indeterminate' genitalia. In 3rd world countries/areas with high ignorance levels, they'll often 'clip' a proto-penis or otherwise surgically 'chop' anything that looks odd, and declare the baby a 'girl'. As adolescence approaches, the 'girl' becomes very obviously male in phenotype.
Aside from her (probably surgically clipped) genitalia, she's a biological man, with levels of testosterone and hormones (and heart, muscle and skeletal structure etc) like a man. Definitely a hormonal, genetic and physical profile that is 'male' and in no way 'female'. It is questionable whether she's even considers herself psychologically female (unless it comes making millions off beating lots of actual women who are far superior athletes): she even married a woman (who was wearing a white dress, whilst Caster wore the suit...). It's why she looks so male and can blast the world's top women in the final 50-100m with masculine levels of superior strength and speed. Because she is biologically-speaking...
The whole thing is a massive joke, because Caster is not even a particularly good male club runner. It's kind of why we have 'women's sport' and 'men's sport. Because women's sport is dead if males like Caster (in fact, the entire top 3 at the last women's 800m Olympic games) are allowed to continue competing. Wait until an actual half-talented male comes along and poses as female..
She isn't being allowed to compete in her best events without testosterone suppression. It's unlikely she can be competitive at an Olympic level at another distance. Your half-talented poser will also have to reduce his testosterone levels.
It will not be a running event.
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
Des Linden: "The entire sport" has changed since she first started running Boston.
Matt Choi was drinking beer halfway through the Boston Marathon
How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
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