Italy has fallen. South Korea has fallen. Iran has fallen.
The Chinese Bat Flu isn't going away any time soon, this one is going to be a doozy.
Italy has fallen. South Korea has fallen. Iran has fallen.
The Chinese Bat Flu isn't going away any time soon, this one is going to be a doozy.
Larry Dickman wrote:
WHO blows wrote:
Case fatality rate increased with age, with 14.8% of cases in people over age 80 resulting in death. Patients ages 70 to 79 had an 8% fatality rate, while those 60 to 69 had a fatality rate of 3.6%.
Researchers calculated an overall fatality rate of 2.3%, with a total of 1,023 deaths recorded among the confirmed cases of the virus in the study.
Cardiovascular disease was the preexisting condition most associated with increased fatalities, with the study reporting a fatality rate of 10.5% in patients who suffered with the condition. Diabetes sufferers had a fatality rate of 7.3%, while the frequency of fatalities was also higher than the overall rate in people with chronic respiratory disease, hypertension and cancer.
In patients with no reported underlying conditions, the fatality rate dropped to 0.9%, according to the study.
Beyond dumb.
Death Rates
Seasonal flu: 0.1%
Coronavirus worldwide: 3.4%
Coronavirus US: 6.4%
How can the U.S., with our five-star, platinum-service healthcare system, have a higher death rate than the rest of the world? Hint: our nation's (read: Trump Admin's) bungled response to the outbreak.
You actually believe these numbers lol. You seriously believe the death rate in Korea is 1/25th that of the US? I seriously challenge you to do some critical thinking here. Don't take these numbers at face value.
krispy kremlin_._._._ wrote:
Italy has fallen. South Korea has fallen. Iran has fallen.
The Chinese Bat Flu isn't going away any time soon, this one is going to be a doozy.
The Iranians were accidentally exposed in the same Wuhan Health Center for Disease Control with the test bats as the Chinese and brought it home with them. The Iranians subsequently infected the South Koreans and the Italians who are two of their biggest trade partners.
Doctor wrote:
Almost 1% death rate among people with no preconditions is kind of a big deal.
As the numbers mount, the mortality will be skewed towards old people who are sickly. Right now its just math, and not enough diagnosis
In China, where their previous one child policies have leaned heavily male, the deaths are slanted towards old guys.
krispy kremlin_._._._ wrote:
Italy has fallen. South Korea has fallen. Iran has fallen.
The Chinese Bat Flu isn't going away any time soon, this one is going to be a doozy.
40 people have died in South Korea lol. 6100 cases in a country of 51 million people. Calm down dude. Have some perspective.
Raider3817 wrote:
Interesting excerpt: "Many of the people infected in the United States are former passengers of the Diamond Princess cruise ship who are currently in quarantine on military bases or in hospitals."
Wonder what % of the 158 is from that cruise ship..
That cruise ship actually provides the best data we have, since everyone was tested, so the positives include asymptomatic cases.
696 cases
6 deaths
478 active cases
212 recovered
35 serious/critical
218 closed cases (deaths + recovered)
Death rate = 0.8% (since 35 are still serious/critical, this could still go up). This is the minimum death rate.
deaths/closed cases = 2.7%
Cruises of course often have older demographics but not that much different from our aging demographic in the US.
Never, EVER trust an MD to understand non linearity, probability, or complexity. Stick to what you know. Your "math" is embarrassing.
For lovers of useless statistics, the lethality rate of people diagnosed with SARS-CoV-2 in Washington state is 15.7% as of 12:52 PM, March 5, 2020.
Seattle Times: 70 people diagnosed, 11 fatalities.
After wiping wash those hands.
Wake me up when entire cruise ships are found floating, everyone dead.
Until then, I'll realize that there are a few thousand things killing more each day.
Co-Flounder wrote:
For lovers of useless statistics, the lethality rate of people diagnosed with SARS-CoV-2 in Washington state is 15.7% as of 12:52 PM, March 5, 2020. Seattle Times: 70 people diagnosed, 11 fatalities.
Solution: Don't go to doctors ---- problem solved.
100 percent of people NOT diagnosed with corona-vitalis, have NOT died from it.
fartlekpa wrote:
Never, EVER trust an MD to understand non linearity, probability, or complexity. Stick to what you know. Your "math" is embarrassing.
Your epidemiology is embarrassing. You have no clue how bad this data is.
Sure, heart disease kills more people that Coronavirus COVID-19, but heart disease wasn't just discovered 2 months ago. The point of all the commotion is to prevent a pandemic.
Actually I do. We agree the numbers are useless.
I say they are mostly random, unevenly dispersed, and the number advertised (BOTH infected and deaths) are absolute minimums. Also that R0 is routinely abused and not at all a reflection of reality. We will only understand the numbers retrospectively.
You, however take that information and say "it's fine" or "calm down". It's not fine and telling people to relax is shameful. You don't know what's going to happen tomorrow and your statement of linearity is hilarious. Like I said, stick to what you know.
I can't emphasize this enough. You're an a**hole for conflating panic with caution.
If yu thin this one is bad, just wait until the colonovirus hits!
It's killing 70- or 80-plus year-olds with cardio issues and diabetes. Lots of stuff kills 70- or 80-plus year-olds with cardio issues and diabetes.
And yes, I'm related to some 70- or 80-plus year-olds with cardio issues. I have concerns, but I don't think I'm going to wake up to 80,000 dead by tomorrow.
If we learn anything from this non-issue, it should be that Chinese people should stop eating bats.
runnER/DR wrote:
fartlekpa wrote:
Never, EVER trust an MD to understand non linearity, probability, or complexity. Stick to what you know. Your "math" is embarrassing.
Your epidemiology is embarrassing. You have no clue how bad this data is.
Siding with the Dr. here. You have no idea how little data and information you can trust directly in these domains. Almost to the point it is not worth using.
Some doctors are dumb. Most can handle undergraduate math and more.
And pragmatism counts for more in practice.
Agree completely. None of the numbers are of value. Doesn't that suggest a much more cautious approach especially when dealing with an unknown contagious disease with multiplicative potential? It's remarkable to me that people with actual medical degrees look at this and say "it's fine" or "no cause for alarm".
What about Dr. Li?