Coronavirus is a big slice of nothing

I am glad we have an expert her in the letsrun crowd.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/coronavirus-maps.html

Almost 1% death rate among people with no preconditions is kind of a big deal.

WHO blows wrote:

Case fatality rate increased with age, with 14.8% of cases in people over age 80 resulting in death. Patients ages 70 to 79 had an 8% fatality rate, while those 60 to 69 had a fatality rate of 3.6%.

Researchers calculated an overall fatality rate of 2.3%, with a total of 1,023 deaths recorded among the confirmed cases of the virus in the study.

Cardiovascular disease was the preexisting condition most associated with increased fatalities, with the study reporting a fatality rate of 10.5% in patients who suffered with the condition. Diabetes sufferers had a fatality rate of 7.3%, while the frequency of fatalities was also higher than the overall rate in people with chronic respiratory disease, hypertension and cancer.

In patients with no reported underlying conditions, the fatality rate dropped to 0.9%, according to the study.

It's not the symptoms/death rate that are frightening but rather the spread rate.

It is spreading at an abnormally fast rate; faster than ebola/other big viruses ever have.

1% of 1,000,000 is 10,000 (not saying it can/will reach 1million people, but 1% is not that small of a number in the grand scheme of things)

Good thing, then, that coronavirus does not spread as easily as the normal flu. You know, the normal flu that kills more than coronavirus.

https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/who-director-general-s-opening-remarks-at-the-media-briefing-on-covid-19---3-march-2020

Yeah it's all about money and geopolitical bs

Vaccine manufacturers will make billions

Used to isolate China and Iran

Used to manipulate the market to profit $cumbags etc.

Exactly. The news talking about two deaths. Huge headlines!

Then buried in the article is that one was an 80+ aged lady in poor health, and the other a younger guy who had emphysema.

Meanwhile 80,000 flu deaths with 100 being children, and barely a footnote in the news.

Hey, everybody! Have you heard about the regular flu? The one that's killed at least 18,000 this season? Be afraid, everyone!

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

WHO blows wrote:

Good thing, then, that coronavirus does not spread as easily as the normal flu. You know, the normal flu that kills more than coronavirus.

Telling the truth is quite scary to people who've been conditioned to believe everything they see and hear from the corporate media.

Even a 1/100 chance of dying is pretty high. I personally would rather not get it, but am not living in fear at this point.

Do we really need 100 threads with input from trolls and other non-critical thinkers who think it's a nothing burger. All this denying it makes me think there's something to this Covid-2019.

It’s trending on p***hub. LOL

The reason there are more issues with the flu is because the flu is more widespread. COVID is twice as easy to transmit and is more fatal than all but perhaps H1N1 flu strains. If it becomes as established as the flu (where it recurs ever single year as it moves from the Northern to the Southern hemisphere and back each year), It has the potential to remove a significant chunk of the human population. Tell us how insignificant it is once you, your parents, your grandparents, etc. have their first case of it. I have relatives that work in the hospital in Seattle that has seen at least one of the patients, and they don't feel it is as over blown as you do.

joedirt wrote:

The reason there are more issues with the flu is because the flu is more widespread. COVID is twice as easy to transmit and is more fatal than all but perhaps H1N1 flu strains. If it becomes as established as the flu (where it recurs ever single year as it moves from the Northern to the Southern hemisphere and back each year), It has the potential to remove a significant chunk of the human population. Tell us how insignificant it is once you, your parents, your grandparents, etc. have their first case of it. I have relatives that work in the hospital in Seattle that has seen at least one of the patients, and they don't feel it is as over blown as you do.

The real problem seems to be the pre(un)symptomatic transmission. I've read (for example) a case study of a 6 month old from Singapore who never had significant symptoms but was positive for 14+ days in a row and shedding virus like mad.

With that kind of thing going on...its going to be tough to control without a vaccine.

I think, based on being a parent of several kids and a scientist (in a loosely related field) that flu is maybe transmissible a few hours or a day before symptoms appear but mostly you have to be ill to infect people. That few hours of presymptomatic virulence is, imo, a big factor in flu outbreaks in schools. This is based on observational data. If that few hours is now 2 weeks...good luck.

The flu kills hundreds of thousands a year, but the death rate is apparently 0.1%, so that even low estimates of 0.9% for COV-19 put it at 9 times the death rate of flu, or 800% higher.

The higher estimates of around 2.3% put the death rate at 23 times that of the flu, or 2200% and it is already active in 54 countries. It is something that may not kill too many healthy people in the prime of life but it may well kill some of their children, parents, or other relatives. It is sure to slow down the World economy as well and shut down a lot of schools. So, nothing to panic about, because that's counter-productive, but it is something to take good scientific-political measures to limit its spread. Having tests ready for it everywhere would be a start. Don't hamstring the CDC for one thing. And places like where I work in which they fired janitors who would actually clean every day are now having to rethink the intelligence of that policy--they're bringing people in to actually clean the door handles, water fountains, and what not.

joedirt wrote:

The reason there are more issues with the flu is because the flu is more widespread. COVID is twice as easy to transmit and is more fatal than all but perhaps H1N1 flu strains. If it becomes as established as the flu (where it recurs ever single year as it moves from the Northern to the Southern hemisphere and back each year), It has the potential to remove a significant chunk of the human population. Tell us how insignificant it is once you, your parents, your grandparents, etc. have their first case of it. I have relatives that work in the hospital in Seattle that has seen at least one of the patients, and they don't feel it is as over blown as you do.

What do they say about those with the normal flu? You know, since magnitudes more of them die each year?

It's like discussing religion. These boneheads won't get it... ever! Why even argue with them. Covid-2019 is much worse than the flu.

Brojos, can you end all these coronavirus threads. How about "I'll allow one and only one coronavirus thread". I'll happily ignore it because the discussion is too bi-partisan and unscientific.

Out. Last word. Just the flu bro guys suck.

toilet plumes wrote:

Out. Last word. Just the flu bro guys suck.

Today: "Just the flu, bro."

Soon: The same people people assaulting others for going out in public without a mask. Demand mandatory vaccination of unproven vaccine. Big Gov save us, save us, here take all our rights! Our bodies, our children, belong to you, Big Daddy Gov.

Do you remember 6th grade science and the discussion around potential energy versus kinetic energy? The flu is like a bowling ball was dropped off of a three story building onto a car, smashing its roof.

Covid-19 is like a train engine perched on a building 20 times higher. It has potential of it's pushed over the edge and would be far worse than the flu. The train is currently teetering on the edge, with each outbreak pushing its center of gravity that much closer to converting it's potential energy into kinetic energy where the train engine plummets from the building, destroying the car, street, etc. It has the POTENTIAL to be worse than the flu.

However, if everybody had your attitude about the virus and yelled at everyone to be calm, its spread would be guaranteed regardless. You wouldn't happen to be anonymous Bad Wigins would you? I believe he posted not long ago that nobody in the US would die and nobody would know anyone who had died from it, similarly e-yelling at people to be calm.

Over 2,000 died today from heart disease in the US.

Did you read that on the news? Is that on TV?

That means about 75,000 die each year in the US from heart disease.

Do you know how many died from the Spanish Flu? Some say 17 million, some 50 million, some 100 million.