Tinman Elite - Boston 5k Predictions

Fingers crossed for Guzman he is a good guy. If the times are anything like yesterday it should be interesting for sure.

Goose will need to step up his game a tiny bit from his 7'48" of a couple of weeks ago. I wish all these guys well... only true refreshing group out there

Don't care. Sorry, not sorry.

Goose, while being Australian, actually started to compete for Malta at the world level. Just as a head up. This move was for personal reasons, as it seems he was one of the top Austrian runners before the change

Yet he never has to peak for a trials race now, similar to Parsons. ?

Excited to see wha what Sydney does tonight! He had a great Tinman debut in that 10miler and whilst training was tbf necessarily smooth after that, he's figured it out and is in a great place! I'd love to see him PR as it would mean he is right on that Olympic Trials standard!!

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

Since there is a lot of talking on these forums about Tinman Elite

Just by you.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

First I want to make clear, no one expects them to suddenly become champions or beat the Kenyan imports like Chelimo, Bor

Building in those excuses early this championship cycle!

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

or Cheserek

Competes for Kenya.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

But we should expect them to compete well against other American runners

Are you suggesting that Chelimo and Bor aren't American runners?

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

Tinman is not a sorcerer, and there is no magic in increasing running performance naturally with good training and hard work on that elite level.

Suggesting what? Everyone who beats them must be cheating?

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

Tinman's training is considered to be revolutionary

Who is saying this, other than you?

That said, I hope the guys do well. They mostly seem like nice guys whom I enjoy following, but Schwartz and Parsons are insufferable.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

Since there is a lot of talking on these forums about Tinman Elite

Really Phil? I hadn't noticed.

Gabe Jennings's Teeth wrote:

Don't care. Sorry, not sorry.

Then don’t post next time ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

From watching the various teams in training and races, I can't help but notice that TME aren't able to get as lean as the Portland Nike folks. I don't know if this is due to legal or illegal means, but I think that it would be a lot more interesting if they were.

They are American by definition of naturalization. They were born, grew up, and spent their first 18-21 (maybe more, if actual age is a bit higher) years in Kenya, coincidentally a country famous for success in long-distance racing.

Can you say for sure that

- Kenyan and American-born people are born with exactly the same genetics, and their parents are exactly the same physically active

- Nutrition is the same

- Altitude in the US is the same as in Kenya

- The lifestyle of young kids in terms of how active they are, how they commute to school etc is exactly the same or at least similar

- The quality of living and drive to succeed in something that could lead to success or a better life (e.g. running) is the same for kids born in the US and in Kenya

Objectively, you got a point as in they are able to start for the US, but it doesn't mean that they don't have some inherent advantages, either genetically, or due to a more active, or healthier period when growing up. They might have also done considerably more mileage commuting to school in their young years than runners born in the US.

No, but to avoid the inevitable "I don't care, won't compete for top 3" comments that are plaguing threads where Tinman Elite are competing in pro races. People are either expecting them to be a significant factor in the race/for the medals, or say that they are not very interested in their performances. It is clear that this type of TME lineup (excluding their 2 strongest runners, Parsons and Hunter) won't get top 3 in such a high caliber race, so I was just making sure people give them they attention they deserve despite of that.

No, of course they didn't grow up with the same circumstances. I don't know what point you're trying to make. Like hey, that's life. Sometimes you're given an advantage, and sometimes you're at a disadvantage. I'm a believer that East Africans DO have an advantage due to their environment growing up, but does that mean everyone else should just give up and make excuses?

It didn't stop Julien Wanders or the Robertsons from moving to Iten to try to level the playing field. It seems like if the TME guys really wanted to be the best, they would consider doing the same. Sometimes, you only want something to a certain extent.

And what attention do they deserve exactly? Most of them are just middle of the pack guys (and hey, I'm right there with them) but I don't think I deserve any recognition for having not done anything at an elite level.

I always thought you were Parsons on here trying to drum up talk about TME, but with your entitled attitude, it seems more likely that you're some 18-22 year old who Parsons paid off to start threads and pump things up. One in the same, I guess.

Lmao Templeton was second in USATF 5k championships. Don't kid yourself, you are not at the same level. The US guys you are comparing them to have been pros for much longer in most cases. In a few years their top guys will be hitting those same times.

Just a guy observing, objectively wrote:

I'm a believer that East Africans DO have an advantage due to their environment growing up, but does that mean everyone else should just give up and make excuses?

East Africans don't have summer or winter extremes like the US. That is big advantage. They have a massive running culture that isn't based on which school/college/university they didn't attend, that's another big advantage.

Altitude is harder to pin down as an advantage. Like a well known researcher said, "Altitude training is just another form of training" and he gave some reliable numbers to back that up, which are hard to argue with. But you have to look at those numbers and understand them, which very few people are really interested in doing.

........ That was a road race

Jordan has stated that he will NOT take a spot on the Maltese Team for Worlds/Olympics if he doesn't run the Standard for the pertaining event...so he is still proving that he can run world-class marks and not taking a free ride by any means. lots of countries utilize a subjective selection process at times (Kenya and Ethiopia are prime examples). The same setup for Parsons, as he has to run the standard and run well at the German/Euro Champs to get selected.

lol, did you even read this before posting? the TME guys are not in need of shedding pounds, have you ever seen Chris Solinsky? the guy was a TANK compared to most high-end distance runners and he was running sub-27/13 for 10k/5k

MakeItYours wrote:

lol, did you even read this before posting? the TME guys are not in need of shedding pounds, have you ever seen Chris Solinsky? the guy was a TANK compared to most high-end distance runners and he was running sub-27/13 for 10k/5k

Maybe not the best example, Chris dropped from 165 lbs to 157 lbs when he set the 10k AR and said he was faster than ever before due to it.

Mottram might be a better example, but these guys are definitely the exception rather than the rule.

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