Coronavirus - relax

So, the WHO extols the efficiency of China's response, and warns that without available hospital care less than 10 % will suffer severely. With one or two missed house payments, or a stoppage on my construction project, it becomes severe for people like me. Kids home from school would be a killer.

None of that tells me that I should relax and not be concerned.

Stop telling people to relax when there are thousands of people dying. This thing can go even bigger yet. Ever heard of the Spanish Influenza outbreak in 1918? Tens of millions of people died and this could be even worse! Don't tell us to relax! If Trump had half a brain he'd be declaring a national state of emergency and quarantining communities now.

Don't go downplaying it. You're just spoiling the fun.

I like to think it's going to be like the end of rise planet of the apes or 12 monkeys and the virus will spread wiping us all out. Recognising that it's just the same as the common flu and will only kill a handful of old people with weak immune systems isn't anywhere near as much fun. So don't go spoiling it for everyone else.

Helen P wrote:

Stop telling people to relax when there are thousands of people dying. This thing can go even bigger yet. Ever heard of the Spanish Influenza outbreak in 1918? Tens of millions of people died and this could be even worse! Don't tell us to relax! If Trump had half a brain he'd be declaring a national state of emergency and quarantining communities now.

That's totally ridiculous. The Spanish Influenza was primarily caused by air pollution, which was much worse in 1918 than in recent times. I see no reason to get hysterical about some imaginary virus that's no more dangerous than the common cold that's been around forever, and which in reality poses no significant danger.

Probably most of the people who've died have done so because of the TREATMENTS, i.e. toxic vaccinations and drugs, rather than a harmless generic virus that doesn't even harm children.

Get a grip. As long as you take good care of yourself, stay away from dangerous drugs, dangerous vaccinations, toxic air and water pollution, then you should be fine.

scaredMonger wrote:

Don't go downplaying it. You're just spoiling the fun.

I like to think it's going to be like the end of rise planet of the apes or 12 monkeys and the virus will spread wiping us all out. Recognising that it's just the same as the common flu and will only kill a handful of old people with weak immune systems isn't anywhere near as much fun. So don't go spoiling it for everyone else.

You beat me to it. Well done.

Japan just closed all the schools in the country for one month.

Virus is hitting the young, with low mortality but they are hit and will have to stay at home. The economy will take a massive hit. I hope you have already sold all your crashing stocks.

scaredMonger wrote:

You're just spoiling the fun.

The markets have been crashing for an entire week, and people are crazy enough to be selling at a 10% loss what they could have sold yesterday for -8% or Monday for -4%. The "fun" is creating sheer lunacy that is causing more serious damage than the virus ever could have.

Abeneziel wrote:

Japan just closed all the schools in the country for one month.

Virus is hitting the young, with low mortality but they are hit and will have to stay at home. The economy will take a massive hit. I hope you have already sold all your crashing stocks.

I sold all my stocks in 2019, which had nothing to do with an imaginary virus.

The real problem is that approximately half of country doesn't mind the stock market crashing as long as they perceive it as hurting Trump and his party.

dunes runner wrote:

I sold all my stocks in 2019, which had nothing to do with an imaginary virus.

The taxman thanks you, and hopes you properly paid your estimated taxes due before January 15, 2020.

Bad Wigins wrote:

scaredMonger wrote:

You're just spoiling the fun.

The markets have been crashing for an entire week, and people are crazy enough to be selling at a 10% loss what they could have sold yesterday for -8% or Monday for -4%. The "fun" is creating sheer lunacy that is causing more serious damage than the virus ever could have.

Exactly.

The flu kills around 12 000 to 50 000 Americans every year. And it kills about half a million people worldwide every year.

We have 10 cases of Coronavirus here in Canada. 10. People are freaking out, and then you read the news article, and it's literally like: someone flew here from Wuhan. They went to the hospital and got better. Their spouse self quarantined and in two weeks they were fine.

China suffered greatly because they didn't know what was going on until there was large community spread. And now that they have taken all these measures, the amount of new cases day to day in China, WHERE THE VIRUS CAME from, is DECLINING. From Feb 7 to Feb 14: 32 000 new cases. Feb 14 to Feb 21: 12 000 new cases. Feb 21 to today: 3500 new cases. This just goes to show that China is doing well at managing this.

It is taking off worldwide because very country feels safe until they got a hotspot emerge, then they ACTUALLY start to respond. That accounts for a lot of the exponential rise when you consider the pandemic from a world ex-China perspective.

dunes runner wrote:

I sold all my stocks in 2019, which had nothing to do with an imaginary virus.

Tax Mann wrote:

The taxman thanks you, and hopes you properly paid your estimated taxes due before January 15, 2020.

There are no taxes required on an IRA.

This coronavirus bs is beyond ridiculous.

Here in Italy we have already 40 people 'healed' a few days after been tested positive. The casualties are all over 80 yr old.

Just a strong flu manipulated by the media to damage chinese economy.

SARS, Ebola, Bird Flu, etc. We will get through it. We always do.

Stocks are getting hammered because they were already badly overvalued.

The big emergency with coronavirus isn't that it is going to kill everyone. It is that containment will fail and COVID 19 will persist in humans like the flu does. Coronavirus is highly infections and can be present in people who are asymptomatic. A 2-3% fatality rate is not very worrying if you can contain an outbreak. But if containment fails, 2-3% fatality rate could mean hundreds of thousands in the US and an overwhelmed health system. Add that to the fact that big pharma doesn't like to invest in vaccine development and our government isn't putting real money into vaccines and you end up with very grim prospects.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51673053

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/coronavirus-2-marylanders-meet-cdc-criteria-for-testing/31139631

Precious Roy wrote:

But if containment fails, 2-3% fatality rate could mean hundreds of thousands in the US and an overwhelmed health system.

People who are sick -- and have lousy healthcare-- will not seek medical care, assuring that they will be carriers.

People who are sick -- and have lousy jobs without paid leave -- will report to work sick, and be carriers.

Buckle up. This isn't the Black Plague but it is not insignificant.

The flu has a fatality rate of .1%. The Coronavirus, which is spread similar to the flu, has a fatality rate of 1-2%. Now do the math using your numbers.