So the Tokyo marathon is stealing people money ?

Everyone who registered eats free at Robot Restaurant. Problem solved. Case closed.

800 dude wrote:

tired of theft wrote:

Anyway, I told them they didn't provide the service they had agreed to. That was 100% factual. That entitles me to a refund according to the agreement I have with my issuer.

This is the point. They didn't agree to provide the service no matter what. The agreement explicitly noted that you might not get the service, because of circumstances beyond the control of the race organizer, and that you wouldn't get your money back if that happened.

Would the marathon truly be able to argue they had to cancel for circumstances beyond their control, when they are still running the elite race? That to me seems like they are choosing, rather than being forced by stuff beyond their control. I think conducting the elite race would hurt their case wouldn't it? I honestly don't know the answer legally, but that makes sense to me.

8800 dufe is either trolling or stupid.

800 dude wrote:

Abeneziel wrote:

That's a low bar everywhere in the world. Law takes precedence over any contract.

Try to sell any product. If it immediately breaks down, explode, never start, or is not delivered, you can write in any contract that it will not be refunded, the law will make sure you will be refunded.

This was really informative. Thanks for educating me. I'm going to get back to working on a Supreme Court brief now. If I have any further questions about "the law," mind if I pop in and ask you? You seem very knowledgeable.

Warranty of merchantability. Would apply to any product like 800 dude said. Consumers have rights.

The Tokyo marathon is just people mad that they didn’t read the contract.

800 dude wrote:

not my real name wrote:

800 dude, sometimes I miss the hell outta you, your wit proceeds you.

Ha. Likewise!

It seems as though the two of you successively preceded the ability to spell correctly.

800 dude wrote:

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You're a LIAR!!!!!!!!

You said on your last post it was going to be your last on this thread.

Liar

Liar

Liar

Terrible look for the Tokyo marathon, I'm blessed that i decided against entering, i know of people that are out entry fee, have paid for flights and 4 nights accommodation in Tokyo that doesn't come cheap or non refundable. To make them pay next year again is just an insult.

For a marathon major it's poor

Theft

Abeneziel wrote:

They are cancelling the Marathon for non elite people.

- They are not refunding anybody

- People who have been cancelled can run next year but will have to repay

WTF ? Who would accept being robbed like that? I think I must start my own marathon scheme to steal people's money.

And worse, it is cancelled because of the coronavirus, which is in China, a country which has no land border with Japan. Japan has no morre risk than Australia, the USA or Europe.

Are they really getting away with such a steal? That's high level robbery in a big spotlight and without any shame.

YOU DON"T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

I work events for a living. You have no idea the millions of dollars that have to be paid out to 100's of other companies that are working on the event. They also have to have a budget for next year. If the refunded everyone they would not be able to pay any of the contractors and they would go bankrupt for next year and it would be OVER.

Gee, business takes risk in hope of making money. Thing a don't work out. Business goes bankrupt.

That is totally irrelevant to deciding whether it is legal for them to keep the money.

They either need better contingency plan,g or better insurance.

Screw your customers. What a wonderful business model. They are putting on a race and funding it with money they stole. It’s odd how so many people seem to think it’s perfectly acceptable for a business to steal based on the fact that the business set up a contract that allows them to cancel for any reason whatsoever.

800 dude, even if you are technically right, you are ethically wrong. If you spend your work days trying to find ways for big companies to screw over customers and inventing technicalities that can allow them to skate by legally when they are clearly in the wrong, then I feel sorry for you, and I don't know how you sleep at night. Enjoy cashing your big checks; if there were a heaven, you wouldn't be going there.

Raddison wrote:

It's in the Entry Regulations (Item 13):

Entry-fee will be refunded only for case of event cancellation due to snow, flood, structural damage due to strong wind, lightning, tornado, building fire along the course, cancellation order from the authorities concerned, cancellation due to earthquake within Japan, and in case of J-ALERT announcement (war/terrorist). Note, cancellation due to the reason not listed above and not accountable to the Organizer will not be refunded.

For someone who refers others to the regulations, you are very bad at reading.

Try again. I'll help.

"cancellation due to the reason not listed above and not accountable to the Organizer will not be refunded"

Is this cancellation accountable to the Organizer? Yes.

Abeneziel wrote:

Are they really getting away with such a steal? That's high level robbery in a big spotlight and without any shame.

Yes, it is unethical. It’s probably in their fine print. Yes, it’s still theft no matter what they disclosed even if it isn’t illegal under Japanese law. Yes, they will get away with it. No, nobody should ever run with any of the director/owners again until they refund all the money and issue a public and individual apologies for being dunderheads.

As a side note, I knew a guy who registered for a race through a 3rd party website. The race owner went bankrupt before there race. The 3rd party Site refunded the money because they hadn’t sent a check to the race owner yet. Anyone who sent money directly became a general creditor in bankruptcy court (ie $0). I wonder if there would be a similar way to get refunded in this case.

truth hertz wrote:

Raddison wrote:

It's in the Entry Regulations (Item 13):

For someone who refers others to the regulations, you are very bad at reading.

Try again. I'll help.

"cancellation due to the reason not listed above and not accountable to the Organizer will not be refunded"

Is this cancellation accountable to the Organizer? Yes.

Actually you should read it again. Is the reason accountable to the organizer? I.e. is the organizer responsible for the COVID-19 outbreak. No, they are not. They have cancelled it due to a reason they are not accountable for.

I am not saying I agree with them, or that they have done the right thing. I also think that be letting the elite race continue they are exposing themselves to all sorts of criticism. What they did do in their Entry Regulations was to put in an open ended clause that allows them to cancel the race so long as something external can be blamed as the cause.

Finally someone making sense

This is also not true. All these events always build huge reserves for unforseen circumstance. So for a race the size of Tokyo they will have more than enough reserves

Rocks wrote:

Jerry Maguire wrote:

YOU DON"T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

I work events for a living. You have no idea the millions of dollars that have to be paid out to 100's of other companies that are working on the event. They also have to have a budget for next year. If the refunded everyone they would not be able to pay any of the contractors and they would go bankrupt for next year and it would be OVER.

This is also not true. All these events always build huge reserves for unforseen circumstance. So for a race the size of Tokyo they will have more than enough reserves

Plus they shouod have just signed contracts with the vendors that said the race wasn't going to pay them if the race was cancelled.

ish wrote:

800 dude, even if you are technically right, you are ethically wrong. If you spend your work days trying to find ways for big companies to screw over customers and inventing technicalities that can allow them to skate by legally when they are clearly in the wrong, then I feel sorry for you, and I don't know how you sleep at night. Enjoy cashing your big checks; if there were a heaven, you wouldn't be going there.

The biggest tell that he is just a shill helping companies rip off consumers was when he claimed that arbitration was consumer friendly. Literally every study shows that consumers win less often and recover less money.