Will Nick Bare (youtube weightlifting personality) break 3 hours today at Austin?

Maybe those were the downhills? That’s the only explanation that’d make sense to me

There was some downhill on that part of the course. But there was also uphill in the first 5k when he was still going too fast. It's hard to forgive such poor pacing and discipline from someone who was so meticulous in his training and recovery and nutrition in the build up. Not to mention he was been advised by a pro coach.

he knew he didnt have a chance to break 3 so no he went fast through 10k so now he will have an excuse for his fans, so they will keep following his journey to break 3

He’s way too big, he also would need really cold conditions to perform at his best with way too much tissue for the body to keep from overheating over 42km.

He does seem serious about breaking 3 so I wonder if he’ll cut back from consuming so much of his powder and calories to get thin, but then maybe his youtube appeal will end if he looks like a normal runner.

It's an easy mistake to make in a first marathon. When you're tapered, rested, and warmed up, your goal pace feels ridiculously easy. You let the pace come to you, and you get faster and faster. And then the wheels fall off at some point because 26.2 miles is a really long race.

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It's an easy mistake to make in a first marathon. When you're tapered, rested, and warmed up, your goal pace feels ridiculously easy. You let the pace come to you, and you get faster and faster. And then the wheels fall off at some point because 26.2 miles is a really long race.

this is very true. it is why i am very reliant on heart rate measurement for marathon pacing.

If you were Nick and could run it again, what pace would you run?

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It's an easy mistake to make in a first marathon. When you're tapered, rested, and warmed up, your goal pace feels ridiculously easy. You let the pace come to you, and you get faster and faster. And then the wheels fall off at some point because 26.2 miles is a really long race.

If he'd gotten to 20 miles, sure.

He didn't even make it to 10 miles at his desired pace.

And we're not talking about Joe Q. Hobbyjogger, this is a former Army Ranger and fitness professional who literally makes a living on YouTube doing exercise.

Had he run a half or even a 10K a few weeks out he would have seen his fitness level was nowhere near sub-3 level.

Why should anyone take fitness advice from a guy who's performance is so far off his intended target?

He seems earnest enough but maybe put a shirt on and try a sub-18 5K first instead of 6 months of YouTube videos about your sub-3 marathon attempt.

DIDN'T RESPECT THE DISTANCE.

He’s run the distance before he’s done Austin at least once before this and has done a full triathlon...it’s not the distance he just needs more time and miles.

He's not giving fitness advice. He's just documenting his training for various challenges he sets himself. The youtube channel just serves an advertisement for his supplement company. A great advertisement because he's doing very well for himself.

Regarding his run today. No matter how new you are to running or the marathon you have a good idea of the pace you are capable of. Sure it happens that people have a fast start with fresh legs after a taper and adrenaline pumping. Usually common sense kicks in at some stage and tells you to slow down after a couple of fast splits. He went off too hard and then picked up the pace. Hit the wall at 10km! What was he thinking when he saw all the 6:4x and 6:3x splits? "Yeah I got this 2:50 here I come." Nonsense

From his training videos I've watched he stuck religiously to HR and pace set by his coach. No doubt they knew the limits of his ability right now. No doubt they knew 6:40 pace was way too fast for him. Poor effort. A hard lesson learned.

As an anecdote, at Boston 2019, I saw a pretty big guy running a good clip. I was falling apart at about 2:50 pace. Some guy who looked like Fabio just strolled by me around mile 22. I never saw him again, so I assume he finished around that 2:50 time. Long hair. Huge muscles. Shirtless. Jamin’s type. He looked like a heavyweight wrestler and not a runner in any respect. The guy was massive.

I don’t doubt anyone’s ability. That guy crushed me and he looked like he could benchpress 5 let’s runs posters simultaneously.

Is this dude on strava? What kind of workouts was he doing?

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He’s way too big, he also would need really cold conditions to perform at his best with way too much tissue for the body to keep from overheating over 42km.

He does seem serious about breaking 3 so I wonder if he’ll cut back from consuming so much of his powder and calories to get thin, but then maybe his youtube appeal will end if he looks like a normal runner.

Even in the 180s it should be pretty easy to do. I ran 1:26 and 3:04 at 195 pounds, age 38. I think if I would have been 185 instead I would have went sub 3.

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As an anecdote, at Boston 2019, I saw a pretty big guy running a good clip. I was falling apart at about 2:50 pace. Some guy who looked like Fabio just strolled by me around mile 22. I never saw him again, so I assume he finished around that 2:50 time. Long hair. Huge muscles. Shirtless. Jamin’s type. He looked like a heavyweight wrestler and not a runner in any respect. The guy was massive.

I don’t doubt anyone’s ability. That guy crushed me and he looked like he could benchpress 5 let’s runs posters simultaneously.

i know a guy like this too. this nick guy is not too big to run 3.

The second 5k is very fast: the course gains about 200’ over the first three-plus miles as it runs south down South Congress, and then it gives back all the elevation it gained over the next three-plus miles northbound back into downtown on South First. Maps (with elevation) here:

https://youraustinmarathon.com/course/

None of this is to say that his pacing strategy was the best one, but Austin is a tough course. His best strategy to run sub-3 (or closer to it, at least) might have been to run CIM in December or (maybe even better) the Mesa Marathon earlier this month.

Also worth noting is that it seems there was a lengthy delay at the start of this race? I’m not sure the reason or what the communication to runners was like, but I could definitely see that throwing some runners off pretty well.

Regardless, I just looked at his splits, and even if he had been smarter about his pacing and had a good day on a fast (but fair) course it looks like he had maybe a 3:0x-high in him at best. Take him to St. George, or the Tunnel, or one of those Revel courses and maaaaaybe he had an outside shot at sub-3 on a perfect day if his frame didn’t pound his quads into submission.

Regardless, he both wasn’t fit enough and didn’t run smart enough here to give himself a shot today. Hopefully he learns from his mistakes and gets it in his next attempt. He seems like a motivated, not entirely untalented guy.

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nub wrote:

He’s way too big, he also would need really cold conditions to perform at his best with way too much tissue for the body to keep from overheating over 42km.

He does seem serious about breaking 3 so I wonder if he’ll cut back from consuming so much of his powder and calories to get thin, but then maybe his youtube appeal will end if he looks like a normal runner.

Even in the 180s it should be pretty easy to do. I ran 1:26 and 3:04 at 195 pounds, age 38. I think if I would have been 185 instead I would have went sub 3.

Weight without height is a stupid metric

Oh Please wrote:

nub wrote:

He’s way too big, he also would need really cold conditions to perform at his best with way too much tissue for the body to keep from overheating over 42km.

He does seem serious about breaking 3 so I wonder if he’ll cut back from consuming so much of his powder and calories to get thin, but then maybe his youtube appeal will end if he looks like a normal runner.

Even in the 180s it should be pretty easy to do. I ran 1:26 and 3:04 at 195 pounds, age 38. I think if I would have been 185 instead I would have went sub 3.

No way your upper body was as laden as his for his height. And you didn’t make it so yeah...