Joshua Cheptegei 12:49* for 5km

Official time is 12:51

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Alll wrote:

Official time is 12:51

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Yes, it's crazy. Jurrie was really confident, as well as his coach Addy. Addy told me that 6x1000 workout indicated a time of 12:50 on a track, so it was incredible to have Joshua run 12:51 in Monaco.

The course is definitely fast, but not the fastest, there was a big u-turn, few other slight corners and slightly undulating roads at times. It could have been 12:45-46 on a perfect course. Bear in mind he soloed the race gun to tape. Were he to have someone pacing him through 2k at least, he could have gone 2-3" faster and 5000m/5k isn't his best event, scary to think so.

He must be in sub 26:30 shape too for 10,000m, Rhonex will have a very hard time to drop Joshua, as Cheptegei will be confident he has the upper hand in a last lap finish.

It's hard to be wowed honestly. Road race have been getting faster and faster.

The previous world record for 5k was extremely soft, and Rhonex beat it in route for his 10k record. I expected a better time.

I hope that one of them will try to do something on a track for once.

He looks like he's been using Kipchoge's aging serum.

2:10 in Atlanta would mean a 2:05 potential in Berlin.

Facial Progeria wrote:

He looks like he's been using Kipchoge's aging serum.

haha. first thing that came to mind...

was he cheating with those carbon plate shoes?

He sure was! This is such a farce if people just cheat with shoes that act like a spring.

With all this energy on road racing, I find myself lamenting the lack of support for the 5000 and 10,000 on the track.

We will see.

Track and field is a timing sport. It's you against the clock. For me it's not normal that people idolize people who aren't at least top 10.

2:05 wouldn't even be a top 15 marathon performance for 2019 alone.

I'm not hard, I don't ask people to idolize only the World record holders.

But from my point of view, I think it would be more pertinent that people idolize runners who can at least have a shot at giving let's say the top 3 distance runners in the world a shot for their money in a race.

Like here's the thing : if you tell me that Walmsley has a chance to make Kipchoge or Bekele suffer and make Kipchoge or Bekele doubt himself then I will also start to "idolize" him.

What do you mean? 2:05 would be the American record. Being #1 would be in the top 10. Being top 10 in the world would be great but too many dubious runners at this point in time. I won't believe results equally until equal testing systems are in place.

Hehe, well put Bekele and Kipchoge in Western States and he will most definitely make them suffer, doubt themselves, and hate themselves for even attempting such a thing.

For 2019 alone, 2:05 would be 17th best performance in the world.

https://www.worldathletics.org/records/all-time-toplists/road-running/marathon/outdoor/men/senior

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What do you mean put Kipchoge and Bekele in Western States ?

All their performances are in Western States.

And if you mean to live there... well nothing prevent the reverse, Julien Wanders is currently living in Kenya. It's not Kipchoge fault if other runners don't want to train in the best places to improve their performance.

And, even that it's a stupid metric, or why not even go further, let's exclude performances from people who have trained in Boulder and other altitude places because it gives them an unfair advantage...

And if you make allusion to drugs, then it's up to you. I agree some people are suspicious, but not all of them.

Starno wrote:

We will see.

Track and field is a timing sport. It's you against the clock. b]

Track is also about competition against other runners. It is not only about time. I would argue that the sport is digging its own grave by focusing on time so much. Even with the best drugs and mechanical “doping”, records will become more rare, unless we figure out a way to trick time and motion into negative times and finishing earlier than the starting gun. Why not ban pacemakers and let the finite number of world records get stretched out into the future? Why not shift the emphasis on competitors who consistently finish on the top of the podium? The time obsession is boring.

It not only about the time, that why I said, I don't want people to idolize only the world record holders. But time IS STILL, one of the main thing, and one of the main criteria of a great runner.

As I said, for me, if you idolize someone who can make suffer and give a run for their money to the top 3 then it's ok. Even if they don't beat them.

But like, if you idolize someone who isn't even slightly feared by the best, then it's a bit weird to me.

To be fair, if he's a Nike athlete I don't think he can be blamed for taking the shoes they're giving him. Also, this course was pretty winding I believe, and I think he could go at least as fast if not faster on a track just in regular spikes.

Kipruto vs. Kejelcha vs. Cheptegei in Tokyo is going to be really exciting, I don't think Farah is going to be a factor now that these guys are actually running fast races rather than tactical ones.

Starno wrote:

It not only about the time, that why I said, I don't want people to idolize only the world record holders. But time IS STILL, one of the main thing, and one of the main criteria of a great runner.

As I said, for me, if you idolize someone who can make suffer and give a run for their money to the top 3 then it's ok. Even if they don't beat them.

But like, if you idolize someone who isn't even slightly feared by the best, then it's a bit weird to me.

do people idolize him or are they just interested in him?

im sure ultra fans idolize him, that's a completely different thing. but track and field people?

Starno wrote:

People aren't impressed.

But Walmsley would run 2:10 Marathon and people are astonished.

Sometimes I don't understand this world seriously.

Why should we be impressed by people trying to beat minor road race record when they are dodging these records on track?

Abeneziel wrote:

Starno wrote:

People aren't impressed.

But Walmsley would run 2:10 Marathon and people are astonished.

Sometimes I don't understand this world seriously.

Why should we be impressed by people trying to beat minor road race record when they are dodging these records on track?

There is no money for 5000 or 10000 on track, especially compared to road races. Road races are mass participation, and the best way for "common" people to follow or be fans of the sport.

That's not true.

Prove me there is more money to some random 5k or 10k road race than there is in diamond league with prize money and apparence fees?

Both Kipruto and Cheptegei run on track. They just don't try to set the record for now.