BU Valentine Invitational mile seed times

One of my greatest regrets as a coach is not seeding my athlete higher in the mile at this meet. He ran 4:07 going away on the last lap easily in a sit and kick. I think he was good for 4:05 that day has I played the game.

1234abcd wrote:

There are 32 runners with sub 4 mile seed times.

Seems rather high

#32 is Ethan Reese at 3:59.99 (convenient). I see that he has a SB of 1:54.62 in the 800m. No mile times. I wish him all the best

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#29 is Ray Sellaro (Penn) at 3:59.40. I see from TFRRS that his lifetime best (recorded a couple of weeks ago) is 4:04.69. That’s more than 5 seconds slower...

#28 is Colin Daly (Penn) also at 3:59.40 (coincidence??). He has a best of 4:03.65...

Couldn’t the meet simply take the times recorded in TFRRS? At least for the first 36 guys.

This is ridiculous.

New season best (PB?) for Ethan Reese in the 800m (1:53.28) in winning heat 5

I wonder if he will also run the mile.

Congratulations to Peter Smith from Army West Point. Winner of heat #9 in 1:51.41 (17th best time overall).

He would have won every heat from 4 to 8 with that time and would have been second in heat 3.

Glad to see some people are still honest.

I've thought it might be useful to create software that would automatically verify seed times and generate heat sheets. Waste of time for meet directors to respond to hundreds or thousands of emails from athletes sending links to results and manually check and maintain list of accepted entries. Meet directors could configure it with complex rules such as "seed verified above unverified and require verified be in last 365 days and give 3-second bonus for verified time in last 60 days."

This is nothing new, if anything seed time padding at the BU invitationals was worse when I was in college 20 years ago. It's easier to verify times now but it would still be a pain to do with thousands of athletes. Plus some athletes may be in great shape now but haven't been in a competitive mile/1500 on a fast track since last spring, so better to defer to the coach's judgement. If a particular coach is padding times too much they could always request results.

Also, the first five heats all have rabbits going through in 2:00 or less, so many runners would be better off in a later heat with more room to run.

Sorry, I don't see how Kieran Tuntivate (Harvard) is in 3:57 shape. I think his coach put down that time to assure he'll be in the fast heat and give him some speed work...

1234abcd wrote:

1234abcd wrote:

There are 32 runners with sub 4 mile seed times.

Seems rather high

#32 is Ethan Reese at 3:59.99 (convenient). I see that he has a SB of 1:54.62 in the 800m. No mile times. I wish him all the best

...

#29 is Ray Sellaro (Penn) at 3:59.40. I see from TFRRS that his lifetime best (recorded a couple of weeks ago) is 4:04.69. That’s more than 5 seconds slower...

#28 is Colin Daly (Penn) also at 3:59.40 (coincidence??). He has a best of 4:03.65...

Couldn’t the meet simply take the times recorded in TFRRS? At least for the first 36 guys.

This is ridiculous.

New season best (PB?) for Ethan Reese in the 800m (1:53.28) in winning heat 5

I wonder if he will also run the mile.

Likely a rabbit

C/M Runner wrote:

Sorry, I don't see how Kieran Tuntivate (Harvard) is in 3:57 shape. I think his coach put down that time to assure he'll be in the fast heat and give him some speed work...

Out of everyone who has bs seed times, this is the one that irks you? I bet he goes 3;58

Tuntivate wins heat one in 3:57.36.

C/M Runner wrote:

Sorry, I don't see how Kieran Tuntivate (Harvard) is in 3:57 shape. I think his coach put down that time to assure he'll be in the fast heat and give him some speed work...

1 Tuntivate, Kieran HARV 3:57.36

That's why he and his coach are at Harvard and you are not!

letsbang wrote:

C/M Runner wrote:

Sorry, I don't see how Kieran Tuntivate (Harvard) is in 3:57 shape. I think his coach put down that time to assure he'll be in the fast heat and give him some speed work...

Out of everyone who has bs seed times, this is the one that irks you? I bet he goes 3;58

You lost your bet. He won in 3:57.36

1234abcd wrote:

letsbang wrote:

Out of everyone who has bs seed times, this is the one that irks you? I bet he goes 3;58

You lost your bet. He won in 3:57.36

In/out school record. First to go sub 4 indoor (first sub 4:01)

Great race from Sam Ellis (Princeton) with a 3:57.66. Also an indoor school record.

1234abcd wrote:

There are 32 runners with sub 4 mile seed times.

Seems rather high

#32 is Ethan Reese at 3:59.99 (convenient). I see that he has a SB of 1:54.62 in the 800m. No mile times. I wish him all the best

...

#29 is Ray Sellaro (Penn) at 3:59.40. I see from TFRRS that his lifetime best (recorded a couple of weeks ago) is 4:04.69. That’s more than 5 seconds slower...

#28 is Colin Daly (Penn) also at 3:59.40 (coincidence??). He has a best of 4:03.65...

Couldn’t the meet simply take the times recorded in TFRRS? At least for the first 36 guys.

This is ridiculous.

I guess that I have to congratulate Colin Daly for his 3:59.74 (8th). This was obviously his first sub 4 and third in school history (indoor)). I should also congratulate Ray Sellaro’s 4:01.40 (18th). It’s not quite 3:59.40, but very decent and not crazy far from his seed time. He is now 4th fastest in Penn History (indoor).

Ethan Reese did not run.

At the end, 10 guys ended up running sub 4.

Ray Sellaro ran 4:01.4 today... pretty good seeding I'd say. But, yeah, 10 guys broke 4, so...

Sellaro ran 4:01.4 today... pretty good seeding I'd say. But, yeah, 10 guys broke 4, so...

I find it funny that you would call out the Penn guys initially. What about the 3 Yale kids seeded at 3:58??? And each ran 4:01, 4:04, 4:04 with none of them having credentials like Daly or Sellaro.

Would advise that you do some fact checking next time and choose the real ridiculous seed times. Could name a lot more before I would’ve chosen the Penn kids who were each seeded at 3:59 after having run times of 4:03 and 4:04, respectively.

Ex: Will Laid of Yale. Ran 4:07 prior to meet, and was seeded at 3:58. Dumb if you ask me.

just playing the game wrote:

C/M Runner wrote:

Sorry, I don't see how Kieran Tuntivate (Harvard) is in 3:57 shape. I think his coach put down that time to assure he'll be in the fast heat and give him some speed work...

1 Tuntivate, Kieran HARV 3:57.36

That's why he and his coach are at Harvard and you are not!

POD !!!

roadracer58 wrote:

I find it funny that you would call out the Penn guys initially. What about the 3 Yale kids seeded at 3:58??? And each ran 4:01, 4:04, 4:04 with none of them having credentials like Daly or Sellaro.

Would advise that you do some fact checking next time and choose the real ridiculous seed times. Could name a lot more before I would’ve chosen the Penn kids who were each seeded at 3:59 after having run times of 4:03 and 4:04, respectively.

Ex: Will Laid of Yale. Ran 4:07 prior to meet, and was seeded at 3:58. Dumb if you ask me.

I simply started with #32 (the slowest sub 4 seed time) and worked my way down skipping the non NCAA athletes (since I could not check their PB easily).

The time doping was very obvious. There were not 32 runners with sub 4 PBs. The majority of the 10 runners who did end up running sub 4 had PBs which were slower than 4min. Tuntivate, Ellis, Schadler, Ernst...

Only a handful actually had sub 4 PBs

It is rather funny that the three names that got called out (who actually ended up running the event) ended up running the mile of their life.

Pretty much everybody were doping their seed times. That was the point.

But very funny that the Harvard guy ended up running quicker than his seed time and Daly came within a few tenths of his seed time.