What's Purrier's best event? 1500 or 5k?

12:20.39 at 4200, 13:28.41 at 4600-> 68.02 penultimate lap

@Wejo what if Purrier comes out tonight and runs between 8:30 -8:35 for 3,000 will your mind be changed?

YMMV OWNED by his own stats

albanese wrote:

It's annoying how people are so shocked that Purrier ran so fast.

Purrier was 9th at WORLD JUNIORS in the steeplechase in 2014, in her first year EVER steeplechasing.

With a pedestrian time around 10 Min. None of her Marks at 19-21 indicated 2nd best Mile by an US woman a few years later.

albanese wrote:

YMMV OWNED by his own stats

Yep, counted back from last split instead of final time. What was the original point, oh yeah...that is unchanged. Apples and oranges. Elle is as good a kicker as Shelby as far as we can tell from one race where they weren't head-to-head. We'll soon see the actual deal.

If she breaks the American record in her next 5k, then it is the 5k.

Otherwise it is the 1500.

Jo72 wrote:

albanese wrote:

It's annoying how people are so shocked that Purrier ran so fast.

Purrier was 9th at WORLD JUNIORS in the steeplechase in 2014, in her first year EVER steeplechasing.

With a pedestrian time around 10 Min. None of her Marks at 19-21 indicated 2nd best Mile by an US woman a few years later.

Only a pedestrian 9th in the world for her age group behind a bunch of African age cheats and dopers, in only her 3rd (prelims) and 4th (finals) steeplechase races of her life.

albanese wrote:

Only a pedestrian 9th in the world for her age group behind a bunch of African age cheats and dopers, in only her 3rd (prelims) and 4th (finals) steeplechase races of her life.

I'm with Jo72 on this. Purrier also finished 22 seconds behind Zulema Arenas of Peru, who is 9 months younger, and 17 seconds behind Rosa Flanagan of NZ, who is a year and a day younger than Purrier. Since neither have run especially fast since then, it's hard to see how performance at that meet predicts Purrier's future.

If you want to find signs of her potential, look at her cross-country and indoor races. She collected some impressive scalps and ran some fast times. Steeple, not so much.

PS Albanese, my username "Ignorance is bliss" is not meant as a comment on your posts. I picked it for another thread where it fit. With the new system, it was the default when I posted on this thread.

Is she training outta Hanover, with Coogan, or down in the Beantown with the other NB chicks?

She went early all out and crept under 15min in her last 5000. Her last mile she goes #2 all time.

Unless she runs a similarly freakish 3-5000 you gotta say 1500. No evidence to suggest that she's faster at the 5000 so far.

She should steeple again. She has the potential to break 9mins

So Purrier ran about 10:08 at 19 and "peaked" in the steeple at 9:43 at 22. Good non-African steeplers Gesa Krause and Anna Emilie Moller ran 9:32 at 19 and are now at 9:03 at 27 and 9:13 at 22 respecively. Both are considerably slower than Purrier in the flat distances. From these results she was not a good steepler but is or can become a great miler

Purrier is an echo of Anna WIllard, another short, stocky New Englander who as a mediocre steepler at Brown was 10:00-ish/4:25 and once switching to Michigan and dropping weight, in a few seasons was running 1:58/3:59/9:27AR.

Ignorance is bliss wrote:

albanese wrote:

Only a pedestrian 9th in the world for her age group behind a bunch of African age cheats and dopers, in only her 3rd (prelims) and 4th (finals) steeplechase races of her life.

I'm with Jo72 on this. Purrier also finished 22 seconds behind Zulema Arenas of Peru, who is 9 months younger, and 17 seconds behind Rosa Flanagan of NZ, who is a year and a day younger than Purrier. Since neither have run especially fast since then, it's hard to see how performance at that meet predicts Purrier's future.

If you want to find signs of her potential, look at her cross-country and indoor races. She collected some impressive scalps and ran some fast times. Steeple, not so much.

Purrier had the worst steeplechase form in the race and was running 25 miles per week. To get 9th in the world with that little training is insane. Other people peak as 15-18 year olds because they train so much at a young age.

You are still missing the point. Women's steeple was a very weak event until ca. Rio Olympics. It still has very little depth and 9th in the u20 doesn't mean anything if the time is 10:10.

What Purrier achieved at Millrose was a very specific and extraoardinary mark. It was a breakthrough compared with her pretty good 4:02 14:58 from last year. The older steeplechase times are useless for indicating what event the 2020 4:16 mile Purrier should run. And they were no indication that she could beat Koko and GDS in the mile when last season she was one level below such runners.

I think we should give her great breaktrough its due.

Even her 9:43 at 22 is a) still somewhat worse than her 1500/mile times at 22 and b) nowhere close to competitive at the steeple. Why should she suddenly gain great hurdling skills because she runs a faster mile? Rosie Clarke had similar flat times to Purrier in 2018 and still has not broken 9:30 in the steeple. There is a reason why not every 8:35-45 flat runner can run 9:10 or faster in the steeple.

I'm not saying she should be a steeplechaser. She shouldn't be, and her college coach was dumb to focus so much on that instead of the 1500 or 5k. But you are foolish to say 10:09 for a 3k with zero experience is mediocre.

My point is that she has been ELITE since 2014. Anyone paying attention back in 2014 would have known she was going to accomplish huge things. All the morons on this website worshiped runners that were overtraining such as Efraimson and Cain and Sarah Baxter that had fast times but no potential beyond their teenage years.

Her college coach was trash but she still ran pretty fast. Now with a pro coach for a couple years and in her prime at 25,she's finally reaching her potential that we saw a glimpse of in 2014.