Why is no one asking what materials Mondo's pole was made out of?

To be clear, carbon poles are also fiberglass poles, they just replace some of the fiberglass body wrap layers with carbon fiber layers, but the majority of the pole material is still fiberglass.

Cane Pole wrote:

Carbon fiber is in poles now. Of course the poles have changed since Bubka.

Pole vaulting is certainly one event where technology has made more difference than any other when you compare to original implements.

You're going to need to provide proof on that bud.

Tobias, you blow hard wrote:

Cane Pole wrote:

Carbon fiber is in poles now. Of course the poles have changed since Bubka.

Pole vaulting is certainly one event where technology has made more difference than any other when you compare to original implements.

You're going to need to provide proof on that bud.

"Different fiber types, including carbon-fiber, are used to give poles specific characteristics intended to promote higher jumps. In recent years, carbon fiber has been added to the commonly used E-glass and S-glass materials to create a lighter pole. "

physics defiant wrote:

"Different fiber types, including carbon-fiber, are used to give poles specific characteristics intended to promote higher jumps. In recent years, carbon fiber has been added to the commonly used E-glass and S-glass materials to create a lighter pole. "

Pole vaulting expert here, Mondo was on an S-glass pole that did not contain carbon fiber.

As I have stated upthread, carbon is a different color.

but are you denying that it WOULD be possible to hide a motorized device in the pole that made it snap back with more power?

Bad Wigins wrote:

but are you denying that it WOULD be possible to hide a motorized device in the pole that made it snap back with more power?

Why bother with a motor? If you fill the pole with Flubber and wear shoes with Flubber soles you can vault at least 19 meters.

Tobias, you blow hard wrote:

Cane Pole wrote:

Carbon fiber is in poles now. Of course the poles have changed since Bubka.

Pole vaulting is certainly one event where technology has made more difference than any other when you compare to original implements.

You're going to need to provide proof on that bud.

Does he, though? Even if it hasn't changed much, it's one of the only events that you need another media to compete.

Pole vault uses the human, shoes, and a pole.

High jump, long jump, throws, running, etc. all use the human and shoes. I could see an argument being made for throws, but you don't utilize the shot, javelin, hammer, and disc in the same manner as a pole vaulter needs their pole.

Pole vault is essentially the only event that has the capacity to change in this way compared to the other events. Just another way to think about it...

All that said, you're telling me poles haven't gotten ANY better in the last 30 years? Must be SOME room for improvement. Seemingly an opportunity for growth if everyone is sitting on their hands for the last 30 years...

There are carbon fiber javelins now, that athletes claim perform differently and better. At an NCAA championship last May, a generous athlete let the other competitors use his Jav.

polevaultpower wrote:

physics defiant wrote:

"Different fiber types, including carbon-fiber, are used to give poles specific characteristics intended to promote higher jumps. In recent years, carbon fiber has been added to the commonly used E-glass and S-glass materials to create a lighter pole. "

Pole vaulting expert here, Mondo was on an S-glass pole that did not contain carbon fiber.

As I have stated upthread, carbon is a different color.

This was more about pole technology improving. There's no way it's been static for 30 years.

Should we switch to bamboo poles?

Here is a good video that explains the materials science/properties of S-glass vs. carbon fiber (as well as E-glass, Kevlar, and steel wire). S-glass is strongest and has good elongation. Carbon fiber doesn't make sense as the main material of a vaulting pole because it has poor elongation and toughness. It wouldn't give you the characteristic flex that you see in a vaulting pole, and would more prone to breaking.

https://youtu.be/KHXVf0SaJpA

This thread was designed as troll thread to troll the brojos for grinding an axe against Vaporflys.

Based on the responses and debate that ensued, I'd give this thread a 10/10.

Everybody dopes!

Everybody cheats!

Nobody cares!

zzzz wrote:

Here is a good video that explains the materials science/properties of S-glass vs. carbon fiber (as well as E-glass, Kevlar, and steel wire). S-glass is strongest and has good elongation. Carbon fiber doesn't make sense as the main material of a vaulting pole because it has poor elongation and toughness. It wouldn't give you the characteristic flex that you see in a vaulting pole, and would more prone to breaking.

https://youtu.be/KHXVf0SaJpA

Yes, but it can still be placed where it has an advantage. In the middle, just like the VF.

Something else to consider is that in the early 2000's (Post Bubka Era) there was a rule change that shortened the length of the pegs from 75mm to 55mm. Not that Bubka even touched many of his WR's..........

physics defiant wrote:

Tobias, you blow hard wrote:

You're going to need to provide proof on that bud.

"Different fiber types, including carbon-fiber, are used to give poles specific characteristics intended to promote higher jumps. In recent years, carbon fiber has been added to the commonly used E-glass and S-glass materials to create a lighter pole. "

This is not proof of your claim. You claimed that "Pole vaulting is one event where technology has made more difference than any other [event]".

You just provided information on how poles have changed, not that they have resulted in a bigger difference in performance than any other event.

I feel like this thread is a perfect example of the stupidity of the Letsrun message board. A trollish question gets asked to start the thread. Multiple people with no clue as to what they're talking about pile on. Finally, somewhere down the thread a person with legitimate understanding of what they are discussing chimes in with a thoughtful response and actual facts concerning the situation (polevaultpower). Dumbasses continue to pile on with their ill informed and tedious responses with no regard for the information previously provided. I hope all of you happy with yourselves.

Tobias, you blow hard wrote:

physics defiant wrote:

"Different fiber types, including carbon-fiber, are used to give poles specific characteristics intended to promote higher jumps. In recent years, carbon fiber has been added to the commonly used E-glass and S-glass materials to create a lighter pole. "

This is not proof of your claim. You claimed that "Pole vaulting is one event where technology has made more difference than any other [event]".

You just provided information on how poles have changed, not that they have resulted in a bigger difference in performance than any other event.

I guess you can't locate record lists.

Javelin is the only event where technology has made more difference in the negative direction than any other when you compare to original implements.