Veganism, difficult to succeed for most runners who run with intensity

Funny how you went quiet, person who goes by YMMV on here...

tyty wrote:

Funny how you went quiet, person who goes by YMMV on here...

He's likely enjoying a steak rather than spending hours trying to make plants taste like meat.

By the way, the laundry lists of noxious chemicals in plants is quite misleading. Sure, plants produce some of those substances, but the amounts are minimal and not an issue. The plant self-defence mechanism from being harmed by bug, slug, snails, birds and people, etc. is to produce some bad tasting stuff (glycosides). Heat and drought stress and soggy roots will also alter the taste of plants, but humans do just fine if the pock healthy plants.

But, you know, you list "fiber, flavenoids, and cellulose" as if they are harmful. Not the case. Saponins, oxylates, salicylates, and tannins...people don't eat much of this stuff because it tastes acid-like, or bitter, or slimy, and so they don't eat not enough to hurt them, unless they are stupid about it. Cooking takes care of some things and proper sequencing of food groupings will prevent anti-nutrient action from robbing us of minerals or proteins. Our kidneys are quite capable of disposing of minor amounts of arsenic, by the way. Anyway, if you are going to copy some anti-vegan propaganda, you should do a better job of evaluating the credibility of it all.

RyecorDone wrote:

Anyway, if you are going to copy some anti-vegan propaganda, you should do a better job of evaluating the credibility of it all.

You mustn't be all that familiar with YMMV's posts. This ain't nothin'.

RyecorDone wrote:

Eat more Tofu wrote:

Thanks for listing. This shows that vegetarians or vegans don't have to worry about proteins.

Glad to lend an encouraging hand. But, I sometimes feel like a gorilla, eating all the time. If I wasn't running and doing calesthenics I don't know that I would get enough protein without taking in excess Calories. I'd like to do this vegan thing in a way that anyone could, with minimal energy use (in preparation and in food distribution) and without having to be somewhat "sciency". We don't have a culturally proven 10,000 yr. traditional diet in the US, and we can easily screw ourselves over. I posted my typical intake so that others with expertise might be able to find fault in it, 'cause I just don't know enough.

While it may be tough to get as much protein as you currently do if you weren't so active, remember, you actually wouldn't need as much protein if you weren't exercising. A 150 lb endurance athlete needs 80 - 90 g protein, but the same person would only need 50 - 60 g if they weren't exercising. So you'd still be ok. You'd eat less calories, get less protein, but still be getting plenty of it to meet your needs. No need to feel like a Gorilla, you are doing excellent (way more protein than necessary, which doesn't hurt).

Thanks, Matthew, I forgot about that. I try to get at least

60g of protein, based on published guidelines for active athletes in my weight range. When I did my protein calculation yesterday, I was surprised that I had been taking in too much - though it might be a matter of the proportions of essential amino acids, and not just 'protein' levels. Something to look into is the issue of too much protein - aside from the kidney damage possibilities. It has to do with metabolic pathways that our cells take when in an excess protein milieu, preferring the m-Tor instead of Pgc-1a pathway, and the ensuing decrease in sirtuins that protect us from aging and lots of antioxidant stuff. Still looking into it.

I tried veganism once. Worst 3 hours of my life. Never again.

Funny how many new names are on this thread. Militant vegans with crafted answers.

Best solution: Personal cows, eating grass.

Vegans diets are harmful. I see the results of one every day. One of us is strong, one frail. Like falling off a cliff.