Veganism, difficult to succeed for most runners who run with intensity

people talk about healthy food, but i have yet to learn what healthy is

some say peanuts are healthy, other die from peanuts

so what is healthy food?

The optimal human nutrition is raw human flesh.

Plant-based "meat" burgers all have substantial amounts of estrogen in them. If you're at all worried about T, and eat these things for some reason, you might consider that.

People get concerned about soy and estrogen in these foods, tofu, etc.

Beer has more soy than tofu and the way it is consumer, in liquid form along with the alcohols and sugars, make it significantly worse.

browski wrote:

ScottEvil wrote:

Side note: I eat oysters/clams/mussles (The term is ostrovegan, or bivalve-vegan) because they don't have brains and probably don't experience pain (or anything at all, really), and I think that's a good way to balance an otherwise plant-based diet. Oysters are good for omega-3 fatty acids and iron.

I tend to agree with you about the lack of feeling, however, commercial fishing is one of the most environmentally damaging industries out there.

Rope-grown oysters are relatively environmentally benign; they filter the water, there's not a lot of bycatch, etc.

Scallops are different because they move.

Peter Singer's take, for what it's worth:

(I think he's gone back and forth on this over time)

Final thing on oysters/clams: https://www.outsideonline.com/2398648/oyster-farming-environment

hejedjdj wrote:

Beer has more soy than tofu ...

What?

I always find it funny the same people telling you to drink cow milk are also telling you that you're getting estrogen from tofu.

ScottEvil, you've given me some good stuff to read and think about. Thanks!

I don't think that there are many vitamin deficiencies, at least I haven't run into any yet.

It's funny who concerned the meat eaters are about vegan and vegetarian diets.

And yet, they usually have no idea what they eat.

I eat a bit of almost everything wrote:

And by the way, why not make a "Animal products don't have" list too? Good luck getting your vitamin C from breast milk or raw meat...

Animal products do have vitamin C.....

Esky Mo wrote:

Animal products do have vitamin C.....

Eat more Tofu wrote:

It's funny who concerned the meat eaters are about vegan and vegetarian diets.

And yet, they usually have no idea what they eat.

Yeah funny. Yet, this thread was started by a vegan.

Who's concerned?

Ted Nugent doesn't care.

But Sweaty Teddy ain't a runner either.

Sage cares.

But Sage ain't an elite runner.

Sorry folks. Truth.

Fact is, there is not an Oly champion in T&F who is a vegan.

Please stop with explaining " I run a 17.:xx and I'M A VEGAN!" Great. Try 13:1x

Again, Ted Nugent doesn't care.

No hate here.

Create an anti vegan narrative much???

Thought so.

HEME matters wrote:

Eat more Tofu wrote:

It's funny who concerned the meat eaters are about vegan and vegetarian diets.

And yet, they usually have no idea what they eat.

Yeah funny. Yet, this thread was started by a vegan.

Who's concerned?

Ted Nugent doesn't care.

But Sweaty Teddy ain't a runner either.

Sage cares.

But Sage ain't an elite runner.

Sorry folks. Truth.

Fact is, there is not an Oly champion in T&F who is a vegan.

Please stop with explaining " I run a 17.:xx and I'M A VEGAN!" Great. Try 13:1x

Again, Ted Nugent doesn't care.

No hate here.

Create an anti vegan narrative much???

Thought so.

Off the top of my head - Carl Lewis and Edwin Moses.

I’m not a vegan btw.

Esky Mo wrote:

I eat a bit of almost everything wrote:

And by the way, why not make a "Animal products don't have" list too? Good luck getting your vitamin C from breast milk or raw meat...

Animal products do have vitamin C.....

Very little. hence the "good luck" etc. bit

I'm not a vegan, and don't believe it is the best diet (adding some fish and some types of meat - not sure exactly which ones) is more optimal for humans.

That said, if you do a vegan diet right (supplementing correctly, etc), there is no reason it should have negative affects on a runner. It is much better than the Standard American Diet.

Frankly, we are still in the dark ages of knowledge for the ideal human diet. Time will tell how wrong (or right) most of us are.

Yep. Some meats are better than no meats. Some alcohol is better than no alcohol. Some radiation exposure is better than no radiation exposure.

And distance running is the best thing in the world for you, until you can't do it any more. Then it's the worst possible thing you could have done.

And yep, make sure you lower intake of saturated fats, and instead eat wonderful breads.

http://historyofeating.umwblogs.org/food-pyramid/

Eat more Tofu wrote:

Esky Mo wrote:

Animal products do have vitamin C.....

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/10-nutrients-you-cant-get-from-animal-foods

Bro Science.

Esky Mo

I eat a bit of almost everything wrote:

Esky Mo wrote:

Animal products do have vitamin C.....

Very little. hence the "good luck" etc. bit

Enough though. Still, we're not talking about pure carnivore anyway.

But it's a lot simpler to eat an Orange than pounds of plant matter to replace a steak.