A thread posted a while back :
https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=9070595
Looks like a Mexican cartel boss.
A thread posted a while back :
https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=9070595
Looks like a Mexican cartel boss.
Oh yes, and Kiptum was one of Pineda's guys too...
Not a reply to you directly Coevett.... or maybe is the simple fact that runners, even the elite ones, are not invincible and in some cases the body cant just take it.
The older of you out there know well that if you crazy you are borrowing good health from later on in life....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNqSpuN2GFELet's Run doping apologist wrote:
YMMV wrote:
About the same age as Bekele's fiance when she died.
It's all good, one more young and innocent East African chewed up in the Italian meat grinder. Easily replaced. I'm sure his doctor is already injecting some of the sauce marked for him into a 14 year old kid pegged as the next Bekele. Don't fret guys, the circus will go on for our entertainment.
KAV wrote:
Not a reply to you directly Coevett.... or maybe is the simple fact that runners, even the elite ones, are not invincible and in some cases the body cant just take it.
The older of you out there know well that if you crazy you are borrowing good health from later on in life....
Wrong and irrelevant.
You don't just drop dead at age 22 because running is hard on the body.
I see. So we can specualte, but just not say it's fact.
I speculate he took horse tranquilizers. And then get offed by a jealous Kenyan WR holder.
His training partner was busted for EPO. That's a fact.
You guys must live in a land of unicorns and rainbows if you don't see what happened here. But hey, if that makes you feel good fine- but everyone else knows the real deal.
NotPC wrote:
His training partner was busted for EPO. That's a fact.
You don't know if doping was what caused this young man's death.
That's a fact.
If he lives in a country with unlimited juicing and his trainings partners have been caught with EPO, could his death be related to doping? Just asking a question of course.
Vaporfly wrote:
and his trainings partners have been caught with EPO
Source?
Coevett wrote:
What we should really be discussing is the part that doping apologists on this board are playing in the continuing death toll coming out of East Africa just so you guys can wax lyrical about the latest undernourished, overdoped native who can run ridiculous times and prove to you that they are somehow are not a regular part of the human race (whatever psychological comfort that weird thought gives you).
Well when you assume that everyone that drops dead young in a region is from "overdoping", it shows that you are the one not a regular part of the human race.
NotPC wrote:
His training partner was busted for EPO. That's a fact.
Who?
Coevett wrote:
yhebrey wrote:
Well when you assume that everyone that drops dead young in a region is from "overdoping", it shows that you are the one not a regular part of the human race.
Well I don't. I assume, or rather suspect, that every young athlete coached or managed by dubious characters with multiple athletes caught doping with potentially lethal peds, who drop dead suddenly or after a 'complicated illness', was 'overdoping'.
BTW, if you can actually read clear English in front of your virtue signalling eyes, you'd see that I was accusing the likes of doping apologists such as you as seeing these young athletes from East Africa as not a regular part of the human race.
People like you, on this forum, are murdering these young people, yet somehow, each new death only makes you more smug and 'less racist'.
Nowhere did I apologize for any dopers. I pointed out that you have an abnormal lack of sound reasoning ability compared to most of the human race, as so clearly evidenced again by your last paragraph.
Shocked! Brutal news, this. So young with so much ahead. RIP. Life’s so fickle, folks.
Hardloper wrote:[/b)
What's his age got to do with anything? He had been sick for several months and there's no reason at all to suspect EPO.
He ran 2656 in July, and he was 22. If you buy what they're selling, he won the Ethiopian national championships in the 10000m, and placed 15th in the Rio Olympics at age 18.
Unless the cause of death is released, someone this healthy and this young dying will create a lot of speculation. Since distance runners dope, people are going to speculate that this was the cause.
I'm not a doping apologist by any means but at the same time it is not tasteless to take the leap to blaming it on possible doping. In any case it's still tragic that a guy so young is dead. The cause could have been unrelated even if he was in fact a doper. In the US thousands die of the flu every year and that's very preventable. You never know.
Only six runners in the history of the world have run the times he has ( sub 13 and sub 27 ) whatever the cause, this is tragic, and at age 22.
Exactly, here we are discussing someone who is one of the fittest humans in the known history of our species and suddenly this person is dead. This is highly suspicious.
Subway Surfers wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Head.in.the.sand.
Really, how many athletes that age are dropping dead in the West?
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Exactly, here we are discussing someone who is one of the fittest humans in the known history of our species and suddenly this person is dead. This is highly suspicious.
Bunch of biased suspicions from the usual posters.
Check out this list of sudden deaths among sportsmen by age 40.
And this is sudden death alone.
But no, an African athlete dies, sudden death or not, and it must have been doping.
Were all the sportsmen listed below doping? I doubt it.
"These athletes, in alphabetical order, experienced sudden cardiac death by age 40. Their notability is established by reliable sources in other Wikipedia articles."
Mohamed Abdelwahab, 22 (2006), soccer
Gaines Adams, 26 (2010), Amer. football
Jaouad Akaddar, 28 (2012), soccer
Davide Astori, 31 (2018), soccer
Víctor Hugo Ávalos, 37 (2009), soccer
Heath Benedict, 24 (2008), Amer. football
Hédi Berkhissa, 24 (1997), soccer
Viktor Blinov, 22 (1968), ice hockey
Gilbert Bulawan, 29 (2016), basketball
J. V. Cain, 28 (1979), Amer. football
Sékou Camara, 27 (2013), soccer
Alexei Cherepanov, 19 (2008), ice hockey
Mitchell Cole, 27 (2012), soccer
Jason Collier, 28 (2005), basketball
Hugo Cunha, 28 (2005), soccer
Renato Curi, 24 (1977), soccer
Alexander Dale Oen, 26 (2012), swimming
Shane del Rosario, 30 (2013), MMA
Ben Idrissa Dermé, 34 (2016), soccer
Lyle Downs, 24 (1921), Austral. football
Patrick Ekeng, 26 (2016), soccer
Bobsam Elejiko, 30 (2011), soccer
Derrick Faison, 36 (2004), Amer. football
Sebastian Faisst, 20 (2009), handball
Miklós Fehér, 24 (2004), soccer
Neil Fingleton, 36 (2017), basketball
Marc-Vivien Foé, 28 (2003), soccer
Matt Gadsby, 27 (2006), soccer
Hank Gathers, 23 (1990), basketball
Cristian Gómez, 27 (2015), soccer
Michael Goolaerts, 23 (2018), cycling
Larry Gordon, 28 (1983), Amer. football
Herb Gorman, 28 (1953), baseball
Rasmus Green, 26 (2006), soccer
Sergei Grinkov, 28 (1995), figure skating
Eddie Guerrero, 38 (2005), wrestling
Frank Hayes, 35 (1923), horse racing
Thomas Herrion, 23 (2005), Amer. football
Cătălin Hîldan, 24 (2000), soccer
Dixie Howell, 40 (1960), baseball
Chuck Hughes, 28 (1971), Amer. football
Flo Hyman, 31 (1986), volleyball
Endurance Idahor, 25 (2010), soccer
Robbie James, 40 (1998), soccer
Daniel Jarque, 26 (2009), soccer
Cristiano Júnior, 25 (2004), soccer
Joe Kennedy, 28 (2007), baseball
Darryl Kile, 33 (2002), baseball
John Kirkby, 23 (1953), soccer
Michael Klein, 33 (1993), soccer
György Kolonics, 36 (2008), canoeing
Wayne Larkin, 29 (1968), ice hockey
John LeRoy, 26 (2001), baseball
Rauli Levonen, 28 (1981), ice hockey
Reggie Lewis, 27 (1993), basketball
José Lima, 37 (2010), baseball
David Longhurst, 25 (1990), soccer
Nikola Mantov, 23 (1973), soccer
Pete Maravich, 40 (1988), basketball
Alex Marques, 20 (2013), soccer
Jesse Marunde, 27 (2007), weightlifting
Stan Mauldin, 27 (1948), Amer. football
Conrad McRae, 29 (2000), basketball
Fab Melo, 26 (2017), basketball
Nilton Pereira Mendes, 30 (2006), soccer
Igor Misko, 23 (2010), ice hockey
Stéphane Morin, 29 (1998), ice hockey
Piermario Morosini, 25 (2012), soccer
Carl Morton, 39 (1983), baseball
Damien Nash, 24 (2007), Amer. football
Frederiek Nolf, 21 (2009), cycling
Chaswe Nsofwa, 28 (2007), soccer
Gábor Ocskay, 33 (2009), ice hockey
Phil O'Donnell, 35 (2007), soccer
Samuel Okwaraji, 25 (1989), soccer
David Oniya, 30 (2015), soccer
Alen Pamić, 23 (2013), soccer
Pavão, 26 (1973), soccer
Bruno Pezzey, 39 (1994), soccer
Pheidippides, c. 40 (490 BC), marathon
Petar Radaković, 29 (1966), soccer
Mickey Renaud, 19 (2008), ice hockey
Bernardo Ribeiro, 26 (2016), soccer
Darcy Robinson, 26 (2007), ice hockey
Brad Rone, 34 (2003), boxing
Omar Sahnoun, 24 (1980), soccer
Serginho, 30 (2004), soccer
Ryan Shay, 28 (2007), marathon
Dave Sparks, 26 (1954), Amer. football
Cheick Tioté, 30 (2017), soccer
Robert Traylor, 34 (2011), basketball
Garrett Uekman, 19 (2011), Amer. football
Zeke Upshaw, 26 (2018), basketball
Ginty Vrede, 22 (2008), kickboxing
Wang Renlong, 17 (2014), soccer
Frank Warfield, 35 (1932), baseball
Chandler Williams, 27 (2013), Amer. football
David "Soldier" Wilson, 23 (1906), soccer
Sergejs Žoltoks, 31 (2004), ice hockey
Cormac McAnallen, 24 (2004) GAA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_cardiac_death_of_athletes#Notable_casesOne of the few names on that list I know is Reggie Lewis whose heart basically exploded from sniffing too much blow, so there's that.
Rojo, can we get a list of athletes who haven't ever been busted that we can assume are doping? I know Farah and Radcliffe are okay, but dead Ethiopians are not? Thanks.