Not in the toe box, maybe the rest of the shoe but that’s how I like it
Not in the toe box, maybe the rest of the shoe but that’s how I like it
Guywithaquestion wrote:
Is this shoe specific to the marathon?
Dunno but at 19/23mm it's going to be a shoe for FAST marathon runners who are not interested in saving their legs like they could with the VFs.
looks like they may have debuted last week during Fam's 2-mile indoor treadmill run.
https://www.slowtwitch.com/Opinion/Here_s_that_8_24_2-mile_on_a_Treadmill_7577.html
Does it have a carbon fiber plate?
Alberto's Dog wrote:
Anyone picking up a pair?
For sure, bro! Can't wait to rip some wicked kick-flips and dark slides at the skate park with my sweet Sketchers!
4% wrote:
Does it have a carbon fiber plate?
Yes - they said it's "patent pending." I don't know what sets it apart from Nike's - I will try to find out more.
My Speed Elite shipped this morning. Should have them in hand on Friday.
multifeet wrote:
looks like they may have debuted last week during Fam's 2-mile indoor treadmill run.
No, those are the Razor 3.
No half sizes?
poo poo
It looks like it has a pronounced curve in it. I wonder how they got around the Nike patent.
It's only a 4mm drop so it's very different
deathinparadise wrote:
Guywithaquestion wrote:
Is this shoe specific to the marathon?
Dunno but at 19/23mm it's going to be a shoe for FAST marathon runners who are not interested in saving their legs like they could with the VFs.
"Saving their legs?"
I'm fairly certain that if you don't consider Hoka, there was not a single running shoe, ever, that had a 19/20 front stack height.
A 'modern' foam shoe with 19/23 would have been, and IS, the ideal trainer for nearly all, in my opinion.
I forgot to add "five years ago."
There was not a shoe with a 19/20 stack height, other than Hoka.
Lunaracer....since '08.
4% wrote:
Does it have a carbon fiber plate?
It has one, but it don't believe it's full length. Just the forefoot.
moran112312 wrote:
Lunaracer....since '08.
Not sure Lunaracer is 19 forefoot.
RobA wrote:
My Speed Elite shipped this morning. Should have them in hand on Friday.
It is your responsibility to review these for us, it would be great if you could compare them to the Vaporflys too.
The Speed Elites are firmer, lower to the ground, but have a ton of pop. They feel super efficient. The plate is pretty thick, very stiff, and only in the forefoot-midfoot. The have a very pronounced rocker and a 4mm drop and really fly when midfoot or forefoot striking. The rocker and plate will help guide you forward quickly if your form breaks down though. They are most like a Razor 3 with a Speed 6 upper and then the firm/stiff plate and more rocker.
The don't feel too cushy or overtly bouncy like ZoomX, but I never felt Hyperburst to feel that way. It feels much more light and super efficient without feeling harsh or slappy. It is like a Razor 3 in that way, but it springs way more.
They won't really cushion your legs a ton like the Vaporfly though. If you are a very consistent midfoot/forefoot striker and going sub-6 pace for the marathon they may work for that distance. For me, this is an amazing 8k-half sort of shoe. They won't feel like they get in the way in a 5k like the Vaporfly does either. They may be a little thick for a 5k, but they are so light and have so much pop that it is still a great 5k shoe.
AhWhatTheCheese wrote:
The Speed Elites are firmer, lower to the ground, but have a ton of pop. They feel super efficient. The plate is pretty thick, very stiff, and only in the forefoot-midfoot. The have a very pronounced rocker and a 4mm drop and really fly when midfoot or forefoot striking. The rocker and plate will help guide you forward quickly if your form breaks down though. They are most like a Razor 3 with a Speed 6 upper and then the firm/stiff plate and more rocker.
The don't feel too cushy or overtly bouncy like ZoomX, but I never felt Hyperburst to feel that way. It feels much more light and super efficient without feeling harsh or slappy. It is like a Razor 3 in that way, but it springs way more.
They won't really cushion your legs a ton like the Vaporfly though. If you are a very consistent midfoot/forefoot striker and going sub-6 pace for the marathon they may work for that distance. For me, this is an amazing 8k-half sort of shoe. They won't feel like they get in the way in a 5k like the Vaporfly does either. They may be a little thick for a 5k, but they are so light and have so much pop that it is still a great 5k shoe.
This is based off of the Zebraflage prototype btw. I am guessing it has only gotten better since then with tweaks. I have a prototype that looks like the production version as well, but kinda wanted to save it for races and it is still unused. The Zebraflage plate did snap significantly on both shoes on the medial side after probably over 100 miles. I am guessing this has been corrected in newer versions, but it may just be that the shoe isn't intended to last forever.
FFF wrote:
moran112312 wrote:
Lunaracer....since '08.
Not sure Lunaracer is 19 forefoot.
It was. I measured it at 19/25 mm on the original version (men's 11.5). The midsole was really soft, and if I pushed firmly, that measurement changed to 16/22.