HSer CRUZ CULPEPPER Runs 4:01.81 for full mile at UW

oversized track makes undersized mile

split mister wrote:

It is not hand picking to point out what worked for the top 1 and 2 Americans. There may not be one best path but certainly the one that generated 2 American records should at least be considered. Kurgat won XC this year after only starting running a few years ago. Bosley was the top freshmen and he was on relatively low miles in high school. Fisher was not a high mileage guy either.

No at all. Not even close

Elvin wrote:

nxjxjx wrote:

In any event, if we continue to use “full mile” we are enabling people who can’t be bothered to be precise.

I think you mean "accurate." Precision is a measure of variance between measurements of the same observation. Accuracy describes the difference between the measure and the actual value. Someone who ALWAYS calls the 1600m the mile is being precise, but not accurate.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Anni_Helena_Ruotsala/publication/304674901/figure/fig6/AS:668649476067338@1536429866393/Precision-versus-accuracy-The-bullseye-represents-the-true-value-eg-the-true.ppm

Well that is a good point and I appreciate the reply.

I was actually using the word “precise” in its less mathematical definition, which, interestingly enough, usually includes the word accurate.

That said, to avoid any confusion in similar situations, I shall use the word “accurate” from now on.

.l.b.j. wrote:

Who won the partial mile?

I did! I easily won The partial mile, which consisted of wandering around my apartment for some undetermined fraction of a mile. Did it in a little less than 2 hours. No one else was even close.

A lot of people want me to step up and try the full mile, but I'm going to stick with the partial myle. Honestly I've been dominating it so far this year and Why mess with a good thing?

Anyone else notice that Google speech-to-text is now adding punctuation on its own. And it's doing it pretty. Abruptly and often putting periods in the middle of sentences.

Jesus, my kids complain about having to run on flat tracks. Never again.

738382919388388667 wrote:

This HS stud ran 4:01 for full mile last night

https://twitter.com/ColoradoTrackXC/status/1223785556863139841

I cannot find a sub-1:50 800m. This lad is a future 5000m runner to Marathon man.

not the entire thing wrote:

Anyone have a split for his partial mile?

The fact that they normally run 1600 m means it's easier to say full mile from the start to clarify it.

I'd guess his 1600m partial mile was still not sub 4 unless he really staggered to the line.

Star wrote:

not the entire thing wrote:

Anyone have a split for his partial mile?

The fact that they normally run 1600 m means it's easier to say full mile from the start to clarify it.

I'd guess his 1600m partial mile was still not sub 4 unless he really staggered to the line.

Which he didn't. He was closing hard.

If you take his 56 last lap 9 meters would be 1.26s. So just above 4 probably. 4:00.3-.7

I see no ... wrote:I cannot find a sub-1:50 800m. This lad is a future 5000m runner to Marathon man.

His PR is 1:52.93 but he's never really been in an 800m race challenged and it was in CO. The 800m altitude conversion is definitely not much, but maybe 1-2s. I think he will be in the 1:50-51 range this year as a senior in CO, so he could flirt with sub 1:50 if he got in a sea level race.

I agree that he may eventually be better suited for longer events. From his interviews, he seems to be under the impression that his speed is his strength, and it may take him awhile to adjust mentally to the idea of running the longer distances. I see him sort of like a poor man's Bernard Lagat. Lagat's best event was probably the 3000. Because they don't run that at major meets he opted for the 1500 rather than the 5000. He was never a super fast 800 guy. He eventually was able to move to the 5000 with a ton of success.

I think right now, Cruz's best event is obviously the 1600/mile. In college, I think in college he will focus on the 1500 but the 3000 will be his best event (so I hope he runs that indoors). We may not see him move up to the 5000m and above for a long time unless he fails to find success in the shorter stuff. Not sure he enjoys it enough and frankly he may not have the mental toughness for the longer stuff yet. He hasn't been running seriously as long as most of the other elite guys his age.

burnt toast wrote:

Will not make it long. He is doing intense intense training. It was nice when high school kids ran 4:05-10 and trained like high school kids. No fun when they are already doing 70+ miles a week in high school.

Are you kidding me? 70+ miles a week isn't always a bad thing when it's done correctly. Sara Hall has been quoted talking about this. American distance running has gotten so soft over the years. I recently made the jump from 40mpw to 70-80mpw during freshman year of college no problem. It's just about taking proper recovery and no going balls to the walls every day.

What?!?!?! wrote:

American distance running has gotten so soft over the years.

I love these quotes.

American distance running has had much more success in the 2000s than the decades that preceded it.

The US men have had a major medal in every event 800m and up within the last 10 years.

This is Letsrun. The posters hate to be presented with facts. Do it, and you will be called nasty names.

birdbeard wrote:

I see him sort of like a poor man's Bernard Lagat.

Of course, a poor man's Bernard Lagat is like a rich man's almost anyone else. :)

There is nothing wrong with 1:52.xx 800m in hs. If I recall, Steve Scott was a bit faster than 1:52.xx in high school but it was 880 yards. I believe Steve Holman was a 1:

800/1600 man in high school. I believe Steve Scott was about 4:16.xx one mile guy in high school. Clearly Holman & Scott had greater room for improvement as 800m athletes. Since 5000m may be phased out, Cruz will be a 3000m and longer guy.