The coronavirus panic proves how easily manipulated people are and how the media sensationalizes everything

Facts Matter wrote:

Yeah, lots of people with official sounding titles from official organizations get it wrong. Remember 2014 Ebola? Yeah..... this happened ...

I love how you've shifted to trying to discredit "lots of people with official sound titles from official organizations" now that it is no longer just comments on a Twitter post. "The way people can just latch on to complete, unscientific, made up BS is 1000 times more scary than this virus."

;lskljkljshu wrote:

Facts Matter wrote:

Yeah, lots of people with official sounding titles from official organizations get it wrong. Remember 2014 Ebola? Yeah..... this happened ...

I love how you've shifted to trying to discredit "lots of people with official sound titles from official organizations" now that it is no longer just comments on a Twitter post. "The way people can just latch on to complete, unscientific, made up BS is 1000 times more scary than this virus."

You are delusional. I "shifted" to nothing. My entire premise has been that everyone, including the media, the wackadoodles on Twitter and even the "experts" at WHO and CDC are blowing this completely out of proportion and causing undue panic. You're inability to follow a linear thought process does not constitute a change in my premise. Now, what you did, on the other hand, is to deflect my comment and try to change the subject regarding the 2014 Ebola outbreak, where the "experts" said the same thing and got it 100% wrong, or would that be 13200% wrong? They are just as wrong now. They are tax payer funded welfare/grant recipients that need a reason to exist, thus the sky must always be falling,...

even when it isn't.

Facts Matter wrote:

.Now, what you did, on the other hand, is to deflect my comment and try to change the subject regarding the 2014 Ebola outbreak, where the "experts" said the same thing and got it 100% wrong.

The difference is Ebola/SARS/etc are only contagious once symptoms appear. This is contagious prior to symptoms, which may not appear for up to 14 days, so there likely will be no stopping it. Moreover, 50k new infections a day, doubling every 5 days, wasn't a "worst-case scenario" but just their best present estimate.

;lskljkljshu wrote:

Facts Matter wrote:

.Now, what you did, on the other hand, is to deflect my comment and try to change the subject regarding the 2014 Ebola outbreak, where the "experts" said the same thing and got it 100% wrong.

The difference is Ebola/SARS/etc are only contagious once symptoms appear. This is contagious prior to symptoms, which may not appear for up to 14 days, so there likely will be no stopping it. Moreover, 50k new infections a day, doubling every 5 days, wasn't a "worst-case scenario" but just their best present estimate.

Your argument is that since the experts say it is so, it must be so. That has ZERO to do with what type of virus it is or how it spreads. You are relying solely on what is told to you, without the benefit of any thought process of your own. The data doesn't show that type of infection rate for the known cases outside of Hubei. The 50K infections per day number came straight out of someone's brown bomber, yet you lap it up and regurgitate it like the champ that you are. Independent of China's reporting, we have a known number of infections and those infected are not dropping dead in the streets. If there were 50K new infections per day from the virus in China, then the roughly 1200 known infections outside of Hubei would mirror that and would have already resulted in tens of thousands of deaths. Something is happening in China, but whatever it is is not a threat to the rest of the world. The experts got Ebola wrong, it was regional. They got SARS wrong, that too was regional. They got MERS wrong, guess what... it was regional.

This pattern of ignorance that relies on others telling you what to think has confirmed that you are in fact Armstronglivs. You are the only person on this site that has no actual knowledge of anything and an a willingness to prove it on a daily basis.

Good luck with that.

You are just ignoring the fact.

Nobody is overreacting. There is two outcome possible.

1) The Virus is contained in China and doesn't spread everywhere. The number of killed will end in the thousands.

2) The Virus spread everywhere and become a new common disease and kill millions of people over the time.

That's the two outcome. If outcome 1 happen, it will not mean "people overreacted", it will mean than the worldwide reaction saved millions life and was successful.

Facts Matter wrote:

he experts got Ebola wrong, it was regional. They got SARS wrong, that too was regional. They got MERS wrong, guess what... it was regional.

Again, the difference is "worst-case" scenario, vs. "what we actually believe is happening right now."

1.4 million "worst case" scenario for Ebola is pretty tame, a "worst case" scenario for Wuhan flu could easily be TEOWAKI (The End of the World As We Know It) or even ELE (Extinction Level Event).

Meanwhile:

Nothing says "it's just the flu" like cops smashing and grabbing like it's the End of Days and throwing the medical supplies in the back of a stolen truck...not so fast grandma, "it's just the flu!"

Your argument is flying crocodiles.

Please don't believe ANY numbers coming out of China, they're laughably small

https://www.google.com/search?q=tencae%20leaks%20real%20corona%20numbers&safe=active&cad=h

But also, I don't want to fear-monger. At this time, immuno-compromised Asians are especially susceptible. 80% of people will be just fine, their immune systems will beat it after a decent fight.

We know it's a bioweapon, we just don't know if it was released intentionally or accidentally. Remember, all this 'vaccine' talk is usually just a pretense. Bioweapons labs around the world research deadly chimera viruses by using "vaccine research" as their cover. That's not to say they aren't also looking into vaccines, but they are more concerned with having similar bioweapons - just another arms race, whether it be the latest nukes, missiles, satellite weaponry, or pathogens - mankind never changes :/

In the case of this Wuhan lab, they may have been studying a virus that they were made aware of due to its specific effectiveness against Asia genetics. If that's the case, it's a cruel irony that it then got released in China...

Inquiring minds want to know wrote:

If this was a bioengineered influenza virus as part of the Chinese bio warfare program, wouldn't it be a highly deadly pathogen? Isn't the whole idea of a bio warfare program to designed something so deadly that it would completely annihilate and neutralize your opponent in war that they're either too sick or dying to mount any kind of defense?

Yes, but consider the vector of this pathogen. 'Super killers' like Ebola hit hard and fast, but in the end they kill the host and themselves. They flame out, basically. Coronavirus was engineered to have a very long incubation period to affect the largest number of people possible. It won't burn itself out, it'll just keep spreading and mutating.

we're seeing many school districts closing down in record numbers across the U.S.

I don't know about you guys, but everywhere I go, people are sick and coughing and sniffling and what-not. I've talked to multiple people who claim they've been battling 'colds' off and on for months.

This may or may not be a product of the coronavirus. It definitely has various mutagenic properties that make it extremely communicable and persistent.

Just be smart. Since most of us here are runners, don't put yourself in an immuno-compromised state. Do less very hard workouts, as these are shown to suppress the immune system for as long as 48 hours. 'Easy' or 'light' workouts, done consistently, will actually boost your immune system.

Take plenty of Vitamin C and D3. Also take nascent iodine, as it's a very good detox (was used during Chernobyl!)

Good luck!

Food for thought...

https://futurism.com/neoscope/recent-simulation-coronavirus-killed-65-million-people

The rate of increase in new confirmed cases is decelerating now.

Of more than 10,000 cases outside Hubei, only 34 deaths for .3% death rate. Of more than 300 outside China, 1 death, .3%.

There's your real death rate. 0.3%. Cry all you want about conspiracies in Hubei, but whatever happened there has had every opportunity to happen elsewhere, and didn't. It's all over.

virologist wrote:

Just be smart. Since most of us here are runners, don't put yourself in an immuno-compromised state. Do less very hard workouts, as these are shown to suppress the immune system for as long as 48 hours. 'Easy' or 'light' workouts, done consistently, will actually boost your immune system.

Good luck!

It's an Olympic year you fool. Keep your dumb advice to yourself.

Bad Wigins wrote:

There's your real death rate. 0.3%. Cry all you want about conspiracies in Hubei, but whatever happened there has had every opportunity to happen elsewhere, and didn't. It's all over.

You're not understanding the lag time with this, when an area gets their first positive results, that just sets the local date back to Dec. 1, 2019, where it began with China.

virologist wrote:

We know it's a bioweapon, we just don't know if it was released intentionally or accidentally. Remember, all this 'vaccine' talk is usually just a pretense. Bioweapons labs around the world research deadly chimera viruses by using "vaccine research" as their cover. That's not to say they aren't also looking into vaccines, but they are more concerned with having similar bioweapons - just another arms race, whether it be the latest nukes, missiles, satellite weaponry, or pathogens - mankind never changes :/

In the case of this Wuhan lab, they may have been studying a virus that they were made aware of due to its specific effectiveness against Asia genetics. If that's the case, it's a cruel irony that it then got released in China...

There's a theory that China stole the bioweapon (aimed at Chinese, to be released as a cleanup depopulation agent along with nukes in WWIII scenario).

Then they created a vaccine meant to immunize against the virus, but it backfired, perhaps making the population more suspectiple to the live virus, or at least allowing someone to start shedding the live virus, for which the vaccines provided no actual immunity.

According to the Law, China is to implement a state immunization program, and residents living within the territory of China are legally obligated to be vaccinated with immunization program vaccines, which are provided by the government free of charge. Local governments and parents or other guardians of children must ensure that children be vaccinated with the immunization program vaccines (art. 6).

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The Law will take effect on December 1, 2019 (art. 100).

;lskljklshu wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

There's your real death rate. 0.3%. Cry all you want about conspiracies in Hubei, but whatever happened there has had every opportunity to happen elsewhere, and didn't. It's all over.

You're not understanding the lag time with this, when an area gets their first positive results, that just sets the local date back to Dec. 1, 2019, where it began with China.

You're not understanding that it took non-Hubei just as long to get to 10,000 as it took Hubei, but Hubei had way more than 34 deaths at that point.

The reason is obvious - it's not deadly anywhere else. Not just most other places, but anywhere. It has spread around China and around the world, and yet not one of the new places has turned out vulnerable. It's all Hubei.

For example, Guangdong province has 1151 confirmed cases now, and only one death. But it's early there, they just got sick, you say? No, 143 of them have already fully recovered.

This seeming firewall around Hubei has held long enough that the only remaining question is why. Most plausible to me is the medical response is identifying and treating cases before they're likely to spread or turn out fatal. It's also possible the virus has already mutated to a less deadly form.

Oct 21., 2019:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQYMdlpX0AIEREJ?format=png&name=large

Full original thread here:

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/230585890/

Confirmed cases over time has gone definitively from concave-up to concave-down. On logarithmic Y it has just about gone level. It's all over.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6