Nike's NOP investigation is complete - Cain declined to participate but calls them “weak and cowardly”

This is the correct answer. Companies that care about the truth have independent investigations. It's fine to do internal investigations to inform strategy or for damage control, but then they should pay Mary as a consultant if they want her help, not feign interest in her testimony to get free labor and to bolster the illusion of a rigorous process in their PR project.

soccerxc wrote:

While I understand where you’re coming from, I think her main problem is that the investigation was done by the problem causers. It’s like telling any corrupt politician to investigate into their own party’s corruption. Are they gonna say, “Yeah, we found some corruption and we’re working on fixing it.”? No! They’re gonna say whatever helps their personal gain. Having a 3rd party, IMO, would add some objectivity and transparency to the situation. Also, the list of initiatives you listed seem more to me like nice sounding corporate jargon than concrete steps to fix anything.

It's not like she raised issues of corruption or rule violations or broken laws.

She succeeded to raise awareness to both Nike and the public, and Nike has announced steps to address male insensitivity to female specific issues.

How is, for example, hiring more women coaches not a tangible step?

After raising awareness, future women will have the courage to speak out. If future female athletes still don't have faith in Nike's initiatives, they can choose go to Adidas, or Brooks or Oiselle.

Although it's easy to say "Nike investigating Nike", given the lack of corruption, rule violations, laws broken, etc., I just don't see this, as serious as it is, as an issue that rises to the level where an independent "investigation" is required, beyond a self-reflective "what went wrong, and how can we take steps to avoid it in the future?"

Is Mary Cain going to become the Kaepernick of women's running? More about social justice than returning to the elite level of the sport?

Remember that Mary going to Salazar was part of God's plan. Not sure why Cain is questioning the big guy.

There is no report.

I did not go to the meeting, but a friend did. It was led by Chief Legal Officer Hilary Krane. There was an agreement by all attendees not to disclose anything to the press. There was no handout, or printed report that you seem to be expecting.

Nike could not find any other athletes that had the experience Cain did: every other case of fatigue, physical stress and mental stress was accommodated and met with an intervention, often a break, time to spend with family, or professional help.

Nike couldn’t publish a report because Cain did not participate. There is no way to report on her accusations if she does not formally participate to elucidate the claims.

The case couldn’t go any farther besides talking to other former teammates. No evidence of mismanagement, or mistreatment was found. Salazar’s building will still be named after him. The legal team was stuck.

casual obsever wrote:

ncrecuvuer wrote:

But if the main person who is the center of the investigation doesn't even speak, what was Nike going to do?

Serious question? She didn't speak because Nike investigated itself, behind closed doors. Pointless. Look at the current "trial" in the Senate, where over 90% of the Republicans don't want to hear any witnesses, and McConnell declared the accused innocent before the begin of the "trial". Or the corrupt IAAF investigating themselves after their cover-up scandal, and Coe declared the accused innocent before the begin of the "investigation".

Instead, Nike should have launched an independent, transparent investigation by experts without a conflict of interest, and openly demanded full participation of its employees.

Even moreso now, given your examples:

- The Senate not wanting to hear witnesses is the opposite of Mary unwilling to be a witness

- As a matter of historical fact, the IAAF was investigated by a WADA Independent Committee

- The IAAF accusations rose to the level of requiring independent investigation, because it involved accusations of rule violations, lack of enforcement of applicable rules, bribery and extortion

I think it is a positive thing to commit to initiatives that are more sensitive to the specific needs of female athletes, in the face of accusations of male insensitivity leading to emotional harm and risk to physical health.

Much of what Mary identified is easily fixed, e.g. certified nutritionists and psychologists, simply as a response to her first interview. No investigation is required to fix these things.

Did Nike comment on Alberto?

BREAKING wrote:

Is Mary trying to hide her past doping use by not participating in the investigation?

https://www.womensrunning.com/culture/nikes-investigation-of-the-oregon-project-is-complete/

Anybody else think MC was doping in HS and going off Daddy's sauce was the cause of her decline...

Please explain to me what the story is. I don't recall Sifan Hassan or Koko or any of the other successful Nike runners complaining about NOP. It's just 1 or 2 disgruntled runners who claimed to be brow beaten by their coach. Is this really news? They could leave any time they wanted. The fact that your site continues to pursue a story regarding a runner who could not and still cannot control her weight shows your level of hatred for Nike/Salazar. Mary Cain got what she wanted. Salazar has been disgraced by the SJW and the metoo movement and will probably never coach again under the Nike banner. It's a shame. He coached world champions and world record setters. I've never seen so many softball questions in your interview with Cain after her race. You can pump her up all you want. But her platitudes that weight matters are obviously just that.

so tired of mary wrote:

Does she have any idea why businesses exist? They are for profit not to appease queen mary. Her latest interview is more distasteful behavior. I am tired of hearing from biased sources with axes to grind that just like to complain.

Agreed. Nike is big business and won’t jeopardize that. Mary is completely inexperienced when it comes to business and it shows. BTW it’s the Nike lawyers running the show now not management

You obviously dont know the story or how consistent it is with past complaints. A large corporation investigates itself and the results are secret? That sounds about right to you? If someone is physically and mentally abusive to a "few disgruntled" athletes, that's plenty for me. And it sure as h*** would be enough for you if it was your daughter.

bigmig19 wrote:

You obviously dont know the story or how consistent it is with past complaints. A large corporation investigates itself and the results are secret? That sounds about right to you? If someone is physically and mentally abusive to a "few disgruntled" athletes, that's plenty for me. And it sure as h*** would be enough for you if it was your daughter.

How was Alberto physically abusive? Mary said he fat shamed her and then Amy said he kicked her off the team because she was fat. Then Kara jumped on bird and said he told her she needed to lose weight after her marathon. Can you honestly tell me that any of that sounds like physical or emotional abuse? At the High School level maybe it’s not right but these are professional athletes.

And Rojo...I don’t have the report but everyone in Portland’s running scene knows the results and talked about it. If Erin is going to publish a story on the report she should have done her homework and reported that. Maybe she did know but it didn’t fit her story?

are all fatties this angry?

Salazar got banned for doping offences but now the "abuse" of Cain seems the bigger story because it gets vaguely labelled as a case of "#metoo". This is absolutely ridiculous. It was a case of bad coaching and he probably behaved like an a**hole to her but to like this to sexual abuse is outrageous. It does not capture what went wrong with the Coaching of Cain and it belittles real sexual abuse which is NOT making offensive remarks about the weight of a professional runner.

Mommy and daddy are still driving her to practice every day.

casual obsever wrote:

Instead, Nike should have launched an independent, transparent investigation by experts without a conflict of interest, and openly demanded full participation of its employees.

Casual, I am not sure Nike could do that. They have a legal fiduciary duty to do what is best for the shareholders. There is a lot going on here, but we have to remember that Nike is a publicly traded corporation. Someone mentioned it earlier: the lawyers are running the show now, not the marketers and managers. This is their equivalent of following the Miranda Warning.

I agree that it would have been a kangaroo court, but I think MC should have participated for that inside look at what was going on inside the investigation.

I think we can all agree that even with its imperfections, hopefully this investigation leads to a better environment for female athletes.

bigmig19 wrote:

You obviously dont know the story or how consistent it is with past complaints. A large corporation investigates itself and the results are secret? That sounds about right to you?

What results were they even going to have without testimony from the center of the case? I'm actually shocked the "investigation" ended so quickly. We have no way off knowing if other people involved even elected to be that compliant in the investigation and if they weren't, its their right just as much as it is MC's. My guess is they weren't able to gather a whole lot and ended up releasing some obvious ways to improve.

Again no matter how they released their findings, if it didn't paint MC in the light she wanted there was going to be more bad publicity. Nike wasn't obligated to do this investigation in the first place so they're definitely not going to ask for even more criticism.

What are you talking about? You say no other athletes had the experience that Cain did. THat's not true. Several have already vouced for it.

Amy Yoder said Salazar told her she had the fattest ass on the start line. Ithink plenty of people could validate the "fat shaming" aspect of the allegations and that's really what her allegations were.

I think we can agree there is a huge difference in telling a 30 yr old she’s too heavy and telling a 18 yr old she’s too heavy. What athletes have claimed emotional abuse from Alberto? None but Mary. Any said he called her fat and Kara said he told her she was too heavy once. Is this not the job of the coach? Of course maybe don’t use the word fat but cmon. I was told several times throughout high school and college I was too heavy and I lost weight and all is well. I just can’t believe professional athletes are saying this is now emotional abuse. Especially when you can see that these professional athletes in question are severely overweight in terms of elite runners.