You're acting like a 49 is a 46.
You're acting like a 49 is a 46.
Why so much vitriol on this site? If you really believe that someone is not as smart as you, you call them stupid? What if someone has a learning disability? Do you insult people who have autism? How about MS?
But on topic, there really are that many teams. There are not that many schools but each relay team can only be counted once. If a school has more than one team listed, it is not the same 4 members. It would be like BYU having 20 guys in the top 100 of the 10k but you claiming that there are only 80 schools. So those 100 performance really are different teams even though several do have some overlap. It actually supports the point that probably at least 20 schools have 6 guys splitting 45-47 in the 400.
If you define team as a 4 by 400 team with not all 4 legs equal, then sure 100+ are sub 3:10. But we this thread has been talking about college track and field teams as a whole. Clear what matters here is how many schools. If Houston can field 30 combinations of sub 3:10 4 by 400s how does that support your point that lots of schools have 6 or more 45-47 guys? Also if BYU did have all the 10k talent, then other teams would have to be giving scholarships to kids that run slower times. In other words if only 20 schools have 6 guys 45 - 47, then there are lots of schools giving roster spots to runners slower than 47.
Also if your point is that lots of D1 400 runners are fast why not just state how many sub 47 guys there are?
49 point 400 runners do get rostered on D1 teams
In getting back to the earlier posters, there seemed to be surprise that a 49 high type guy could not get a spot on a D1 team at a school that has a club team. Schools that have club teams are large schools that have enough interest to sustain a club team. They are not small D1 colleges that have underfunded track teams. So it is sort of a circular argument to state that the kid could make a D1 team. Sure he could make some really slow D1 teams that have few scholarships but he can not make a P5 D1 team at the school that he is attending. Many D1 programs publish standards. The average appears to be about 48.2 to walk-on and that would typically be a high school time. If a 21 year old senior runs 48 on the club team, the coach is probably not interested. As far as you point about how many guys ran open 400s in a particular time, that serves some purpose but guys like Cooper Williams and Isiah Harris and Grant Holloway split 44 in the 4x4 but did not run the open 400 so there are even fewer spots available for 48 second guys than what it may appear.
I do not know why you are still attempting to debate this 49 400m issue. You responded to me earlier stating that 49 400m guys cannot make D-3 4 x400m relay, now you are stating 49 400m guys cannot make power five university T&F teams. No kidding 49 400m guys are not extremely attractive to power five coaches unless said 49 400m runner shows potential in another event. You changed the debate.
"49.8 doesn't get on the 4x4 at top high school teams or decent d3 teams. If you are not running 47, you aren't D1 material."
It says top high school teams and decent D3 teams. It does not say all D3 teams. Decent D3 teams are better than crappy D1 teams.
600yd/600m man wrote:
[quote]Predictor wrote:
A D-1 university needs more than six sold 400m guys. A university can always move up a Clydesdale from XC team to fill in for 1500m to 10000m athletes. If 400m guys are injured, more than six solid guys are needed.
Not really. Plenty of 400m hurdles, 200m/100m, and 800m guys can be on a 4x4. The top 800m runner at most D1 programs can run a sub 49 for a FAT 400m (after all they are running 53 - 55 / lap for two laps).
That said, a 49 FAT 400m guy probably would be allowed to try-out for a roster spot as a walk-on, but no way a recruiter would waste any time seeking one out.
45 years ago there wasn't a freshman at my college who couldn't run 49 flat.
You guys are all low achievers with little ambition.
one of my kids was a 49 mid guy. he is running at a good d3 school (both track and academics). academics came first and track was an afterthought. if he would have gone to a d1 school, he would be a 49 guy either not running or on a club team.
yes, but wrote:
Yeah he lied. But he's got good 800m potential with those times.
The sprint times aren’t fast, and the 600 time isn’t fast. I’m not seeing the “good 800m potential.”
predictor wrote:
49.8 doesn't get on the 4x4 at top high school teams or decent d3 teams. If you are not running 47, you aren't D1 material.
My friend ran 49 and got recruited to Villanova.
However, he ran that 49 his soph. year (he was injured his whole junior year)
So idkkk, Villanova is a p good track school :)
I ran 49 as a sophomore and 48 as a junior and had a 35 on my ACT but Villanova did not recruit me. So unless you provide a name, your story is false.
predictor wrote:
49.8 doesn't get on the 4x4 at top high school teams or decent d3 teams. If you are not running 47, you aren't D1 material.
That would make literally any high school team in the country. Most schools would be fortunate to have 1 guy that can break 50. Log off.
Relay splits are not indicative of open 400 meter times. Not sure if your 35 ACT can handle this math or not, but there were 278 Division 1 men's track programs in the US in 2015. Last year 96 division 1 athletes ran 46.80 or better in the 400. If you curve fit out to 47.00, you are probably at around 115 athletes that meet the metric you have set. That equates to about 0.4 athletes per school that meet your mark of 47 flat or better, not the 6 athletes at each school that you opine to be a fact. While I will agree that there are probably about 10 or so power 5 schools that meet your criteria, on the whole, a 47.0 400 meter time is more unique than you give it credit for looking at the entirety of NCAA Division 1 track. You are only off by a factor of 15 on the NCAA as a whole.
OP here, just to be clear the D1 team at this college is not fast, and a 49 is faster than the fastest kid currently running. As well, the school is not in a fast league, I’m not talking about an SEC or Big 10 or PAC 12 school, its a D1 school not big on athletics. A 49 is not a 46 and not insane, but it would put someone in the top 10 runners in the league.
I don’t know much about the 400m, but according to the IAAF tables a 49.8 is equivalent to a 14:40 5k. That’s way faster than the median D1 distance runner; I’m not sure the average guy can even break 15:00.
People’s perceptions are heavily skewed by power 5 schools (and small but good programs) because that’s what you see on TV, that’s who makes nationals, that’s who we all care about. The average D1 athlete is pretty mediocre.
If you go to a random college meet (not a high profile, well known one) you’ll see a ton of sprinters running 5x.xx and distance guys who can barely break 16:00.
This kid can stop lying whenever he wants. You, on the other hand, cannot escape how you talk.
Your writing and your language suddenly got much better. Bravo.
This statement is true but also remember scholarships and roster spots are limited a lot of teams would rather just use a 400-800 guy or a miler who can split 49 or 50 then allocate that spot to someone whose a one trick pony. Best case scenario a consistent 49 guy at a D1 college will be the utility guy for a dmr to keep other 4x400 guys fresh and to not have to triple or double other guys. It’s all a numbers and grades thing but sometimes you wind up being in the right place at the right time like the 400 leg for notre dame a few years back the guy from FM grinned to get his spot and never looked back
original poster wrote:
OP here, just to be clear the D1 team at this college is not fast, and a 49 is faster than the fastest kid currently running. As well, the school is not in a fast league, I’m not talking about an SEC or Big 10 or PAC 12 school, its a D1 school not big on athletics. A 49 is not a 46 and not insane, but it would put someone in the top 10 runners in the league.
Wait. What? How does a D1 school not have any sub 49 guys for 400m. There are hundreds of sub 49 guys coming out of high school. The top 25 guys coming out of high school are all 46.xx or faster. When you say not fast, you must really mean it. Your freshman recruits probably couldn't win a competitve womens race if they can't get to sub 49 by their senior year. Do you have any sub 4:00 1500m runners (sub 4:20 milers), because that'd be an equivalent time.