Kid rolls up to college club track team, claims to have a 49. 400 PR

This kid in my psychology class last year told me he ran a 10.7 in HS.

Thought he was just some exaggerating loser. Looked him up when I got him: 10.70 on athletic.net as a junior at some invite in Nevada.

Good for him.

One of my college housemates, a Chinese American dude, was a high school tennis player, but wasn't a college athlete. One night he was out with his friends timing themselves on the track. He came back saying that he ran 11 for the 100. Of course, I didn't believe him. A little while later though, at an all-comers meet on campus (UCLA), he ran 10.9. That was a shock, though I didn't think much about it at the time.

49.8 doesn't get on the 4x4 at top high school teams or decent d3 teams. If you are not running 47, you aren't D1 material.

Thisboycappinlmao wrote:

lmfao get a load of this clown, boy out here claiming he ran a 49.8 flat 400 outdoors in HS. Says this on the first day of showing up at the CLUB track team at a D1 school. Also claimed a 22.3 200 and strangely an 11.7 100. Some quick milesplit stalking reveals a 1:35 600m, 37.6 300m, 24.4 200m, 12.2 100m, 7.2 55m. Why do people do this crackhead lying shid??

Kid claimed to be a transfer from another D1 school but somehow a 49.8 runner wasn't picked up by the actual D1 coach and rolled up to the club team? Mans out here clownin himself so hard

Yeah he lied. But he's got good 800m potential with those times.

I guarantee there were 49.XX kids at my undergrad who were not on the varsity track team. Hell, the best miler on my HS track team had a 49 flat 400m PR.

predictor wrote:

49.8 doesn't get on the 4x4 at top high school teams or decent d3 teams. If you are not running 47, you aren't D1 material.

What you stated did not make much since. If I were a D-1 head T&F coach, I would love to bring in a bunch of 17, 18 & 19 year old 48.xx 400m lads. After several years, some improve significantly.

That is why you are not coaching. Roster spots are limited. If you have 6 guys running 45-47, you have no roster spots for a 49 guy nor the resources to waste trying to develop one.

what's so hard to believe? wrote:

I guarantee there were 49.XX kids at my undergrad who were not on the varsity track team. Hell, the best miler on my HS track team had a 49 flat 400m PR.

I was a 50.1 400 guy in HS and didn't get a sniff from any college recruiters of any level. That time was a big fish in a small pond level of good for my district, in that it was only me and 1 or 2 other guys in the whole league who could consistently under 52, but nothing in the big picture of California HS athletics.

Predictor wrote:

That is why you are not coaching. Roster spots are limited. If you have 6 guys running 45-47, you have no roster spots for a 49 guy nor the resources to waste trying to develop one.

I am sure I could list many D-1 universities that do not have six sub-47 400m athletes. You made the bold statement. I know you cannot list two dozen D-1 universities with six F.A.T. sub-47 400m guys.

A D-1 university needs more than six sold 400m guys. A university can always move up a Clydesdale from XC team to fill in for 1500m to 10000m athletes. If 400m guys are injured, more than six solid guys are needed.

predictor wrote:

49.8 doesn't get on the 4x4 at top high school teams or decent d3 teams. If you are not running 47, you aren't D1 material.

None of what this person said is accurate.

Predictor wrote:

That is why you are not coaching. Roster spots are limited. If you have 6 guys running 45-47, you have no roster spots for a 49 guy nor the resources to waste trying to develop one.

There are probably over 300 D1 track programs and you honestly think the majority have six guys running 45 to 47 seconds? That's why you are not coaching.

His first statement was that you have to run 47 to be D1 material. Then he said that D1 teams have 6 guys running 45-47. Tell somebody you ran 47 and they will assume 47.9, not 46. I know you are upset that a 49 doesn't get on a decent D3 relay team, but those are the facts. More than 300 different guys ran 47 in D1 last year indoor or outdoor.

You guys are easily distracted. This guy is at a D1 college that has a club team. That means it is a P5 school, not a crappy mid major. Sure a slow guy can find an underfunded D1 school that nobody has ever heard of. But that is not what is being discussed. The OP is surprised that a 49 doesn't get on a decent D1 team. Decent schools run 3:0X in the 4x4. That means the guys are splitting 45 - 47.

There were 50 high school teams last year who broke 3:16. The fastest teams broke 3:10. 250 teams broke 3:20.

There were 100 D3 college teams who broke 3:20 with the fastest ones breaking 3:10.

Reading comprehension wrote:

His first statement was that you have to run 47 to be D1 material. Then he said that D1 teams have 6 guys running 45-47. Tell somebody you ran 47 and they will assume 47.9, not 46. I know you are upset that a 49 doesn't get on a decent D3 relay team, but those are the facts. More than 300 different guys ran 47 in D1 last year indoor or outdoor.

Are you predictor's spokeperson?

I doubt your reading comprehension.

I offered no opinion regarding 49.xx 400m and D-1.

I was a D-2 athlete. I know the 400m level performances at my level. Your buddy, predictor lost her/his credibility when he/she stated six 400m 45 to 47 on D-1 T&F teams.

You cannot retroactively make predictor a credible evaluator of 400m talent.

I mean the bigger picture is club teams at some large P5 schools can be legit.

http://crossroadstiming.com/results/2019/NIRCA-Track/index.html

Last years club nationals was won in 48.9.

Raggedman wrote:

what's so hard to believe? wrote:

I guarantee there were 49.XX kids at my undergrad who were not on the varsity track team. Hell, the best miler on my HS track team had a 49 flat 400m PR.

I was a 50.1 400 guy in HS and didn't get a sniff from any college recruiters of any level. That time was a big fish in a small pond level of good for my district, in that it was only me and 1 or 2 other guys in the whole league who could consistently under 52, but nothing in the big picture of California HS athletics.

I too was a 50.1 type guy. I ended up being a 5/10 guy on a very successful college team. Sometimes you just aren't fast enough.

Not sure why so many LR posters get upset over statistics. 100 D1 teams broke 3:10 in the 4x4 last year. Yes, 100. So how many 49 second guys do they need to do that? 60 teams broke 3:08. I assume that most of you realize it takes an average of 47.4 for the 100 teams and 46.9 for 60 teams to accomplish those feats. 30 broke 3:06 which takes 46.4 on average.

More like 40 teams last year who broke 3:10. You looked at TFFRS and were too stupid to consider teams which ran multiple times under 3:10.