Actually, the CDC in USA lumps together influenza and pneumonia (and "related" things), so their statistics are next to worthless. You can probably guess why (hint: Big Pharma). The real killer in this grouping is of course the pneumonia. The number of actual flu deaths in USA might be in the hundreds per year, as with other similarly situated countries (e.g. Europe).
This is false. You've watched Outbreak one too many times.
The stock market will continue to take A hit but those of us who stay in it will make a lot of money
Can we all just agree to call this the Kung Flu?
This population reduction will be good for the planet.
sanchobaile wrote:
oh so much wrote:
36000? Interesting statistic. I have know 1000s of people and know many who have died from cancer, heart attack, or some that have died in car accidents, overdoses, or suicides...even lightning strikes. Have never known anyone who died from the common flu. Does anyone here know of anyone that's died from it? Is there an area of the country that's more prone to it?
because you don't personally know anyone who has died from flu, you question whether that stat is true?
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=annual+flu+deaths+in+usabuncha fkn rocket scientists on this board, apparently... who needs research or advanced degrees when you can just ask randos on LRC?
So you know how to search something on google? You're smart.
So do you know someone that's died from the flu or do you just enjoy insulting other posters?
oh so much wrote:
36000? Interesting statistic. I have know 1000s of people and know many who have died from cancer, heart attack, or some that have died in car accidents, overdoses, or suicides...even lightning strikes. Have never known anyone who died from the common flu. Does anyone here know of anyone that's died from it? Is there an area of the country that's more prone to it?
This statistic is accurate. 36,000 is still less than 1 in 10,000 of the US population. Mostly children, elderly and those with compromised immune systems.
Most of the deaths are old people and those with underlying medical conditions. This is the sort of thing that could save social security and Medicare. We are not supposed to be immortal.
looks like its not. After just a quick google search, it seems its just scaremongering..
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2019/11/11/drilling-down-into-flu-deceptions-and-mind-boggling-lies/
How about 18 deaths from flu?
According to the CDC, the flu kills a surprising 3,300 to 49,000 people every year. This rather high number varies greatly in any given year, and according to many health experts is pretty exaggerated.
If you look at the U.S. vital statistics records for any given year, you'll find dozens of causes of death, along with the number of people who died from them. It's a huge table that stretches over many pages. In the flu section of this table you'll find three different listings:
• "influenza and pneumonia"
• "Influenza"
• and "pneumonia"
The first number is the flu and pneumonia grouped together; it's huge. The third is pneumonia alone. It's huge too. The second is influenza itself…and it's very small.
In 2001 the CDC reported that 62,034 died from influenza and pneumonia. That year, I would bet that CDC proclaimed that flu killed over 50,000 Americans. After a painful hour of searching the CDCs database, I found the true 2001 numbers: 257 died from influenza and 61,777 died from pneumonia.
The truth is, the CDC uses an algorithm to try to guess the number, and they group the deaths together into “influenza and pneumonia”
There are some 200 different viruses that cause "influenza-like" illnesses, and most of them aren't the flu. About 80% of these flu-like illnesses are caused by something other than influenza. Yet the CDC puts them all in the same category and uses them to boost their statistics. There's even been a shift in the language on their website toward the use of "influenza-like illness" instead of "influenza" or "flu."
Peer Reviewed Science.
Yep, 3% of those of us who are infected will die. That said, it tends to be more lethal in middle-aged men who have underlying medical conditions like diabetes and heart disease. Too bad for you middle aged suckas, the coronavirus is not an equal opportunity infector.
Run007xx wrote:
Think about it... there are about 3000 cases worldwide. And already about 2.7% are dead ALREADY. Even if there were no further people getting sick the death toll just for those 3000 people can still rise.
In addition, it can spread before one even has symptoms. That is unlike most other outbreaks where authorities have good cause to quarantine people. There are already probably way more cases than the authorities even can keep track of.
Get ready: But surgical masks. Lots of hand sanitiser. Cancel travel plans. Buy lots of can ex food. And get ready for a massive stock market crash. This is one of those situations where it is okay to panic. This is the real deal.
US coronavirus deaths this winter: 0
US influenza deaths this winter: >2,000
Where's the hysteria? You're not scared of the flu because you're accustomed to it, even desensitized. Maybe you should use your brain instead of hysteria.
Peptic Ulcers kill 10x more than flu wrote:
According to the CDC, the flu kills a surprising 3,300 to 49,000 people every year. This rather high number varies greatly in any given year, and according to many health experts is pretty exaggerated.
If you look at the U.S. vital statistics records for any given year, you'll find dozens of causes of death, along with the number of people who died from them. It's a huge table that stretches over many pages. In the flu section of this table you'll find three different listings:
• "influenza and pneumonia"
• "Influenza"
• and "pneumonia"
The first number is the flu and pneumonia grouped together; it's huge. The third is pneumonia alone. It's huge too. The second is influenza itself…and it's very small.
In 2001 the CDC reported that 62,034 died from influenza and pneumonia. That year, I would bet that CDC proclaimed that flu killed over 50,000 Americans. After a painful hour of searching the CDCs database, I found the true 2001 numbers: 257 died from influenza and 61,777 died from pneumonia.
The truth is, the CDC uses an algorithm to try to guess the number, and they group the deaths together into “influenza and pneumonia”
There are some 200 different viruses that cause "influenza-like" illnesses, and most of them aren't the flu. About 80% of these flu-like illnesses are caused by something other than influenza. Yet the CDC puts them all in the same category and uses them to boost their statistics. There's even been a shift in the language on their website toward the use of "influenza-like illness" instead of "influenza" or "flu."
DWI statistics are treated exactly the same. The NHTSA lumps all deaths where anyone had any level of alcohol as an alcohol related death. Regardless of fault. So say a sober speeder hit a drunk driver (or even a sober driver with any alcohol in their system).... drunk driving death! Drunk passenger in a car accident where someone died, drunk driving death! You get the idea.
So you are saying that Corona beers are more lethal than the virus inspired by Coronas
Lots of dismissive people on this board. Ignore the warnings at your own peril. This thing is not like all the other outbreaks in the past: Ebola exhibits almost symptoms immediately, so - while extremely deadly - easier to quarantine. SARS, Birdflu, etc., spreads much more easily, but is not very lethal (in relative terms). Coronavirus has that combination of spreading easily in stealth mode (no early symptoms) and being really quite lethal (in relative terms). 3% of the global population is like 250m people if this thing gets ahold. It won't ultimately be that bad because authorities will put in place travel restrictions and people will eventually wake up and take precaution. But this thing is no f'ing joke.
you can’t hide a genius wrote:
There are experts who went to school and studied for years and years and subsequently worked in the field for decades to gain expertise in epidemiology - and you just sit there in your basement and know more than all of them combined. Well done Nostradamus. You can’t put a price tag on the quality of information form someone making shlt up in his basement and posting anonymously.
I’m kidding, you can put a price tag on it - it’s totally worthless. Thanks for your sharing you ignorance and fear, champ. Go buy a paper mask.
You've been trolled.
Corruption of Science wrote:
Actually, the CDC in USA lumps together influenza and pneumonia (and "related" things)
No they don't. They report them separately. From the CDC website:
CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010.
And
Each year in the United States, more than 250,000 people have to seek care in a hospital due to pneumonia. Unfortunately, about 50,000 people die from the disease each year in the United States.
Thank you for showing how duplicitious CDC is in conflating "influenza has resulted in" deaths on their webpage propaganda, with their actual statistics that give how many people in fact die from the disease.
Go to their actual tables, and after figuring out what they are actually counting, like the previous posters (and cited science papers) have noted, you will see that influenza itself kills almost no one. It's a conflating factor vis-a-vis pneumonia, but then, so is old age linked in to a good number of the deaths. (It's #8: "influenza and pneumonia").