Cain and Tuohy Struggle at the Armory, Cain Gets Emotional When Talking About Her Biggest Regret at NOP

DC Wonk wrote:

Kurdt wrote:

I thought Wejo's article was fine. Maybe I read a later, edited version - I didn't notice any errors. Nothing egregious, at least.

Posters criticizing these young ladies are pathetic piles of crap. Running is hard. Training is hard. Improving is difficult. Career trajectories vary wildly. But they are still humans and worthy of being treated with respect, especially given their ages. If neither of them ever ran another step after today, they have still brought a great deal of excitement to the sport, which is almost undoubtedly more than any of the bitter critics can say.

+1. Nobody on this site has any idea what it’s like to be #1 Hs runner with huge expectations on you every race. Sports like football and basketball are far less intense on the individual. In running it’s you and you only that have to bear the pressure. Plus, only the most elite runners in the world make big money, which still is a pittance compared to any starting NBA player, 75% of whom smoke weed every day according to some players comments.

Mary's team has spoken wrote:

ny guy wrote:

What puzzles me often on this board is how the basics of why an athlete is in a race is often so misunderstood.

Why was Cain in this race?

1. She has been coming back from injury and is trying to get back in race shape for summer 2020.

2. She trains and coaches at the NY Armory where the race was held.

3. 2 weeks ago she ran a 9:25 3k in an all comers meet at the NY Armory, giving race organizers and Cain herself an indication she might be able to run 9:10-9:15 in a real race.

4. She's a NY Legend - after demonstrating some race fitness, of course the organizers are going to let her in, as her entrance and Cain/Tuohy will cause a lot of interest in the race (proven here on the board). No appearance fee, it's a favor, and she is in basically to fill out the field.

Why was Tuohy in this race?

1. The NY Armory is basically her home indoor track, it's 25 miles from her house.

2. In high school races Tuohy usually has not much competition and runs alone.

3. Racing against pros gives her a chance to get real race experience and possibly break some records.

4. She ran this exact same race last year, finishing 3rd in a time of 9:01, setting a new high school indoor record.

5. Current results (2:11 800, 2:47 1k) indicate she has the same fitness as last year.

The race

1. Both were right on track through 2k.

2. They both died on the last k; bet that's never happened to anyone.

3. Mary ran another 9:25. Not what she wanted, but it's another data point on her comeback effort.

5. Tuohy ran 9:32, obviously not what she wanted, but it still is US#1 for high school and qualifies her for NY state meet, and the NB Indoor if she wants to run, as this was her first 3k/3200/2 mile of the season.

Meanwhile at the front of the race, a bunch of ladies ran sub 9:00 to qualify for USATF indoor meet.

Wow . Thank you Mary and her team for the full excuse as to why she sucked in the race. Lets cut to the chase without all the above BS. She is out of her league in this field, she was one a great runner but there is not guarantee it will continue despite the TITLE of her book. She needs to lose weight, get more therapy and keep training and only then can we see if she is ready to hop into races other than D3 college meets.

wejo wrote:

Knows Uncle Phil when he sees Uncle Phil wrote:

This forum has some truly horrible people posting. Disgusting stuff that stays up for clicks. Shame on you brojos!

What post are you referencing? Every single post reported has been reviewed. Feel free to email me

wejo@letsrun.com

Cain is not able wrote:

I like Tuohy. I don't like Cain. Those are my personal opinions of likeability. I think Cain is done, by choice. She could be competitive if she was even close to Koko's weight. Tuohy is done, not by choice, but just because nature has a way of changing us over time. Those are my opinions also. Notice that they have nothing to do with how much I like them. I also will not call people names on this site if they think Tuohy or Cain will be olympic champs. I don't understand the personal attacks on the runners or the other posters.

wejo wrote:

Tuohy Fanny wrote:

I think the pressure is caused not from naysayers but from the overhypers. Cain and Tuohy were/are bombarded with information pertaining to going pro and winning huge races and making the Olympics and breaking every existing record. They buy into the hype even though much of it is out of reach. The realists try to point out the low percentage of women runners continuing to improve or breaking crazy records or making the Olympics. All of the hype makes it very difficult to face reality for the majority of young phenoms who end up just being good or even great but not the best.

You do realize Cain made a World Championship final as a high schooler, won senior titles as a high schooler, and signed pro contract that likely guaranteed her 7 figures? So that part wasn't hype at all but reality.

Making the Olympics and breaking every record didn't happen, but making the Olympics was very, very in the realm of possibility for her heading into 2016. But there is a big line from making Olympics and breaking every record. And I think there is a big gap from Cain to Tuohy in high school. Internationally Cain was way better.

blame it on the rain wrote:

Guys it looks like Katelyn Tuohy plan to have the race she did at DR Sanders

I mean she's a smart girl and they have smart people around her so I'm sure the goal is just to stay healthy and get some good experience

I bet the plan was to run hard for 2K and then just to ease up the last 1K

The fact that she came back the next day and did a full day of racing. I'm sure that was all scheduled and planned

Obviously she had to take a month off last year from overdoing things. So I'm sure the plan is do not have that happen into be building for the future

If she had any motivation and reason to I'm sure she could run somewhere around a 9:05 3K.... I don't think she's really concerned with high school records anymore

Not sure why her coach wooden just say this but they're always kind of cryptic and there's always a little bit of protectiveness in allthis.

Anyway I'm sure she's still motivated to run fairly fast and to win High School races but I don't think she's pushing for records and is just looking to stay healthy and build for the future.

I think there's very little chance that our weekend running wasn't pretty planned out and expected. I don't think she died in the last 1K like everyone saying I think she intentionally slowed up to not overdo things

I mean seriously how many of those athletes could have came back and did the running she did the next day. Seems like a pretty impressive weekend of running

Indoor? wrote:

blame it on the rain wrote:

Guys it looks like Katelyn Tuohy plan to have the race she did at DR Sanders

I mean she's a smart girl and they have smart people around her so I'm sure the goal is just to stay healthy and get some good experience

I bet the plan was to run hard for 2K and then just to ease up the last 1K

The fact that she came back the next day and did a full day of racing. I'm sure that was all scheduled and planned

Obviously she had to take a month off last year from overdoing things. So I'm sure the plan is do not have that happen into be building for the future

If she had any motivation and reason to I'm sure she could run somewhere around a 9:05 3K.... I don't think she's really concerned with high school records anymore

Not sure why her coach wooden just say this but they're always kind of cryptic and there's always a little bit of protectiveness in allthis.

Anyway I'm sure she's still motivated to run fairly fast and to win High School races but I don't think she's pushing for records and is just looking to stay healthy and build for the future.

I think there's very little chance that our weekend running wasn't pretty planned out and expected. I don't think she died in the last 1K like everyone saying I think she intentionally slowed up to not overdo things

I mean seriously how many of those athletes could have came back and did the running she did the next day. Seems like a pretty impressive weekend of running

I hope you are joking. There is zero chance she entered a pro race set to go around 9 flat with the intention of slowing down the last k and running 9:32.

blame it on the rain wrote:

Guys it looks like Katelyn Tuohy plan to have the race she did at DR Sanders

I mean she's a smart girl and they have smart people around her so I'm sure the goal is just to stay healthy and get some good experience

I bet the plan was to run hard for 2K and then just to ease up the last 1K

The fact that she came back the next day and did a full day of racing. I'm sure that was all scheduled and planned

Obviously she had to take a month off last year from overdoing things. So I'm sure the plan is do not have that happen into be building for the future

If she had any motivation and reason to I'm sure she could run somewhere around a 9:05 3K.... I don't think she's really concerned with high school records anymore

Not sure why her coach wooden just say this but they're always kind of cryptic and there's always a little bit of protectiveness in allthis.

Anyway I'm sure she's still motivated to run fairly fast and to win High School races but I don't think she's pushing for records and is just looking to stay healthy and build for the future.

I think there's very little chance that our weekend running wasn't pretty planned out and expected. I don't think she died in the last 1K like everyone saying I think she intentionally slowed up to not overdo things

I mean seriously how many of those athletes could have came back and did the running she did the next day. Seems like a pretty impressive weekend of running

Indoor? wrote:

blame it on the rain wrote:

Guys it looks like Katelyn Tuohy plan to have the race she did at DR Sanders

I mean she's a smart girl and they have smart people around her so I'm sure the goal is just to stay healthy and get some good experience

I bet the plan was to run hard for 2K and then just to ease up the last 1K

The fact that she came back the next day and did a full day of racing. I'm sure that was all scheduled and planned

Obviously she had to take a month off last year from overdoing things. So I'm sure the plan is do not have that happen into be building for the future

If she had any motivation and reason to I'm sure she could run somewhere around a 9:05 3K.... I don't think she's really concerned with high school records anymore

Not sure why her coach wooden just say this but they're always kind of cryptic and there's always a little bit of protectiveness in allthis.

Anyway I'm sure she's still motivated to run fairly fast and to win High School races but I don't think she's pushing for records and is just looking to stay healthy and build for the future.

I think there's very little chance that our weekend running wasn't pretty planned out and expected. I don't think she died in the last 1K like everyone saying I think she intentionally slowed up to not overdo things

I mean seriously how many of those athletes could have came back and did the running she did the next day. Seems like a pretty impressive weekend of running

I hope you are joking. There is zero chance she entered a pro race set to go around 9 flat with the intention of slowing down the last k and running 9:32.

runn wrote:

blame it on the rain wrote:

Guys it looks like Katelyn Tuohy plan to have the race she did at DR Sanders

I mean she's a smart girl and they have smart people around her so I'm sure the goal is just to stay healthy and get some good experience

I bet the plan was to run hard for 2K and then just to ease up the last 1K

The fact that she came back the next day and did a full day of racing. I'm sure that was all scheduled and planned

Obviously she had to take a month off last year from overdoing things. So I'm sure the plan is do not have that happen into be building for the future

If she had any motivation and reason to I'm sure she could run somewhere around a 9:05 3K.... I don't think she's really concerned with high school records anymore

Not sure why her coach wooden just say this but they're always kind of cryptic and there's always a little bit of protectiveness in allthis.

Anyway I'm sure she's still motivated to run fairly fast and to win High School races but I don't think she's pushing for records and is just looking to stay healthy and build for the future.

I think there's very little chance that our weekend running wasn't pretty planned out and expected. I don't think she died in the last 1K like everyone saying I think she intentionally slowed up to not overdo things

I mean seriously how many of those athletes could have came back and did the running she did the next day. Seems like a pretty impressive weekend of running

I'm going to add this in- Tuoghy is a senior in high school (in NY State). She's an excellent student.

This past week all over NY was "Regents" Week- Finals for 20 week courses (which most seniors take), mid terms which some AP teachers give.

It could have been a rough week on top of everything else.

fastTuohy wrote:

https://www.lohud.com/story/sports/high-school/track/2020/01/25/track-katelyn-tuohy-mary-cain-sander-invitational-3000/4522350002/

Kinda what I suspected - the pressure got to her

"Tuohy, who won her third straight Nike Cross Nationals title this fall but, while winning, hasn't been quite as dominant on the track either this winter or last spring as in seasons past. She didn't want to talk after the race.

But Brian Diglio, her North Rockland High School coach, said she wasn't sick but simply "didn't have it" Saturday.

Prior to the race, Tuohy had said she hoped the race would be fun and without stress.

But Diglio said, "I think in the end she felt a lot of pressure."

He blamed himself for allowing that but added his runner, who owns multiple high school records and graced the cover of Sports Illustrated in 2018 as the Gatorade girls national athlete of the year, has been the "victim of unrealistic expectations."

That might extend to her qualifying for this year's Olympic Trials, which has been frequently mentioned. But Diglio spoke only of the idea Tuohy will be "better and better and better" each time she runs.

"It's a big cross to bear for any 17-year-old girl," Diglio said.

He said he planned to work with Tuohy on mental race preparedness and wants running to always be fun for her.

Diglio added Cain and other pro runners in her race had approached Tuohy to reassure her they've experienced slumps along the way.

"Any runner at any level experiences highs and lows, whether they're an Olympian or a pedestrian high school runner," Diglio said. "At times it's easy. At times you struggle. Sometimes you hit plateaus and just have to fight through."

blame it on the rain wrote:

Indoor? wrote:

I hope you are joking. There is zero chance she entered a pro race set to go around 9 flat with the intention of slowing down the last k and running 9:32.

There's also zero chance that if she ran a legitimately hard 932 that she could come back the next day and run a 9:40 and a 4:30 1500

When you give a hard race 3K can you come back the next day and basically out do that performance. If you consider that she ran two races the next day

You really don't think that this was all planned.

Probably because of the response you're having is the reason the coach just didn't say that cuz he doesn't want push back

Clearly she just was in the race to get some experience running against pros and being in a Pac type environment

And clearly because everyone has their own idea of what everyone else is supposed to do that they didn't want to just say this

I guarantee her weekend of running was planned. You really think she went out with the intention of running around nine minutes and just died but yet was able to come back the next day and better her performance