Does anyone know why adams can’t put it together in the 800? Boris doesn’t count in this discussion cause he ran 46. In the 400 in high school. Why can’t they find any sub 1:50 guys? They got the second place finisher from NJCAAs last year who’s run 1:50.6 but there’s no results from him at all this year which leads me to believe he’s hurt? Someone please explain this to me.
No one on our team has raced yet post Christmas break and only a very few people raced pre Christmas break. We're a distance orientated program, due almost exclusively to the altitude, and therefore many of our good 800 runners become great milers. Not many altitude schools in general churn out 800m specialists
Umm nick lara was 1:48 while i was there
The fact they've produced ANY good 800 runners (the aforementioned Boris Berian and Nick Lara) as a distance-oriented program at altitude is probably a bigger surprise. I'd imagine it's not easy to convince a talented HS 800m runner to come to a D2 school in Alamosa, regardless of their status as a distance powerhouse.
Women School Record
800m 2:03.14 Julie Jenkins 1984
Julie Jenkins -Donley
Competed in 1992 Olympic Games in Barcelona, Spain (800m)
Held the fourth fastest time in the world before the Olympics
PR: 1:57.82 Julie Jenkins, Zürich 08/15/90
Off the top of my head; Oliver Aitchison ran 1:47 and 3:40, Nick Lara ran 1:48, Boris Berian ran 1:48 (while competing for Adams), Drew Graham ran 1:49 and 3:40, Dan Caulfield ran 1:46 outdoors, and 1:47 indoors, which I believe is still the Irish indoor national record.
The simple answer is that not many great 800 runners can contribute in cross country, so it doesn't make sense to have more than 1 at a time when the primary goal is cross. Having 1 good middle distance guy that can contribute on the DMR has been Adams strategy for at least 20 years now.
Why would it matter?
Rock Heavy wrote:
Off the top of my head; Oliver Aitchison ran 1:47 and 3:40, Nick Lara ran 1:48, Boris Berian ran 1:48 (while competing for Adams), Drew Graham ran 1:49 and 3:40, Dan Caulfield ran 1:46 outdoors, and 1:47 indoors, which I believe is still the Irish indoor national record.
The simple answer is that not many great 800 runners can contribute in cross country, so it doesn't make sense to have more than 1 at a time when the primary goal is cross. Having 1 good middle distance guy that can contribute on the DMR has been Adams strategy for at least 20 years now.
Looks like Mark English broke it back in 2014. Holding it from 2001-2013 is impressive!
https://donegalnews.com/2014/02/mark-english-sets-irish-indoor-800m-record/Rock Heavy wrote:
Off the top of my head; Oliver Aitchison ran 1:47 and 3:40, Nick Lara ran 1:48, Boris Berian ran 1:48 (while competing for Adams), Drew Graham ran 1:49 and 3:40, Dan Caulfield ran 1:46 outdoors, and 1:47 indoors, which I believe is still the Irish indoor national record.
The simple answer is that not many great 800 runners can contribute in cross country, so it doesn't make sense to have more than 1 at a time when the primary goal is cross. Having 1 good middle distance guy that can contribute on the DMR has been Adams strategy for at least 20 years now.
Good 800m guys are almost worthless for good NCAA teams. No 4x800 or DMR outdoors. You can take a decent miler who also is your 7th XC man and make him run 1:50-1:49 leg, then your 2 good milers and have them run the 12 and mile. That leaves 4 pure distance men (supplemented by the top miler) for the top 5 in cross, 2 run the 5000m and 2 run the 10,000m in track. That's the set up.
Your "decent miler who also is your 7th XC man" is basically your 800m man, running the 800 at conference. But you don't want an actual 800m man, only a miler who trains like one, so that way you still have someone decent in cross.
If you were to have an actual 800m man, you would only need/ want just one.
On a rare occasion you find a 46 guy who can go also 1:49ish, then he's a 400/ 4x400 / DMR/ 800m prospect, if you are too dumb to just force him to run cross and become a world class miler.
- 800m man usefulness overanalyzer the REAL ONE....11!,,!
But what did they do after college? Why is there no one there now?
Boris Berian DOES count!
They didn’t do anything for his development. Yeah he won NCAAs cause he was just better than everyone else. He was there for ONE YEAR.
My point still stands, what altitude schools are churning out 800m specialists? CU don't, Mines don't, NAU don't, CSU Fort Collins don't, Western Don't. It's not an Adams State problem, it's an altitude school thing
There was also a Julie Jenkins that ran the 800 at BYU around the same time. She ran around 2:00.5 and I think had a PB of 1:59.xx
Another Julie wrote:
There was also a Julie Jenkins that ran the 800 at BYU around the same time. She ran around 2:00.5 and I think had a PB of 1:59.xx
same person, she transferred
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