Goucher: I didn't go to Rio because Shalane and Amy wore VFs (which is the same as EPO)

I don't hate her, not even a little, that's a weird thing to come up with from what I've stated on here. I'm no fan of Nike or VF, either. I'm good with a ban on them by sound reasoning. If you want to show me quotes I obviously missed, have at it. I do know that she and Pielke are close and there's no way he would publish the conclusions regarding her peers in that race without her clear consent. I'd imagine both women named as advantaged rolled their eyes and had a laugh at Kara's latest crusade.

I used to be a Goucher fan, but she needs to just retire gracefully now. She needs to quit constantly saying"I felt devastated..." Blah blah blah, you got to be a pro athlete for several years, time to move on to real life and quit complaining.

About 4%

BOHICA wrote:

To Kara's statements, if she had made the case that she could have placed better herself with the shoes or relative to the field if the shoes were excluded from competitors, that would seem fairest and acceptable (minus the obvious anti-Kara crowd).

...that's what she did.

BOHICA wrote:

But instead she singled out a couple of peers, one of whom is nearly universally respected and beloved in the sport and who has enough class to have never publicly commented on Kara's confessed involvement with microdosing.

...that's not what she did.

What a peculiar post.

In so many words… in the full context of the article, there's no mistaking that in her little song and dance routine she was referring to two women not named Des Linden. Shoes don't place in a race, people do.

“There is no way to know that the shoes kept me out of the Olympics, but I do feel like it wasn’t a level playing field,” she says. “I mean, the research proves that. Honestly, I felt devastated. I felt like something I had worked so hard for had been stolen from me, similar to how I felt when I learned people ahead of me were doping. I could handle not being good enough to make our team, but learning that a propulsion device in a shoe might have kept me out was just devastating.”

Nothing is "peculiar" if not that.

Kara is right, but it is largely because shoe companies spent nothing on marathon flat r&d for decades. Nike finally accepted the carbon plate science and added it in. Carbon is not new. Adidas has better spikes.

Hmmmmmmmm???? Does this seem like a contradictory statement?????

“There is no way to know that the shoes kept me out of the Olympics, but I do feel like it wasn’t a level playing field,” she says. “I mean, the research proves that. Honestly, I felt devastated. I felt like something I had worked so hard for had been stolen from me, similar to how I felt when I learned people ahead of me were doping. I could handle not being good enough to make our team, but learning that a propulsion device in a shoe might have kept me out was just devastating.”

Kinda like the feeling of every distance runner in the 1980's and '90s who competed in Europe when EPO was as common as taking a multi-vitamin.

GET OVER IT!!!!!

Nice analysis, brain surgeon. She's saying she might have missed the Olympic team due to the VaporFly. To make the Olympic team, she had to make top 3. She was 4th. Two of the top 3 were wearing Vaporflys.

Yes, she's talking about Cragg and Flanagan! You figured it out! Good job.

Subway Surfers wrote:

Kara is right, but it is largely because shoe companies spent nothing on marathon flat r&d for decades. Nike finally accepted the carbon plate science and added it in. Carbon is not new. Adidas has better spikes.

Neither of them puts full-length plates in their distance spikes.

They spent nothing on R & D because there is literally no R & D to do. What they spent, as always, was marketing money.

You can't be made faster by a shoe. Even spikes are largely relics from the dirt/cinder era and have no impact unless you're capable of closing your race in 55 seconds or less.

BUTTHOLE SURFER wrote:

Hmmmmmmmm???? Does this seem like a contradictory statement?????

“There is no way to know that the shoes kept me out of the Olympics, but I do feel like it wasn’t a level playing field,” she says. “I mean, the research proves that. Honestly, I felt devastated. I felt like something I had worked so hard for had been stolen from me, similar to how I felt when I learned people ahead of me were doping. I could handle not being good enough to make our team, but learning that a propulsion device in a shoe might have kept me out was just devastating.”

Kinda like the feeling of every distance runner in the 1980's and '90s who competed in Europe when EPO was as common as taking a multi-vitamin.

GET OVER IT!!!!!

Uhh, no, Butthole, actually it doesn't seem contradictory to me. I mean, what's contradictory about it? She says that while you can't definitively say what would have happened without the shoes (i.e. she can't say she would have automatically made the team otherwise), it felt unfair that they had an advantage that had nothing to do with being a superior athlete on the day. Similarly, when she was beaten by dopers, she can't make any automatic assumptions about specific race results if they hadn't doped, but it also seemed unfair that they had an advantage that had nothing to do with athletic ability.

And your final statement saying that it was no worse than what (presumbably clean) runners faced against EPO cheats in the 90's: I don't get it. Is she supposed to just not say anything because other people were also wronged in the past? Because let's face it, getting cheated out of a medal is insignificant compared to having one's family killed in the gas chambers, so let's nobody ever complain about anything, right?

waaaaaaaaah wrote:

Could she be any more of a sore loser?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerpielke/2020/01/21/on-par-with-doping-the-first-person-to-miss-the-olympics-for-wearing-the-wrong-shoes/#2c5eab064a08

She’s the most annoying pro female. Stops flapping your mouth and put more effort and time in your lackadaisical running

lwood wrote:

Way to throw Sketchers under the bus.

Who are Sketchers?

That’s quite literally what you said that her comments should have been about, and not what you claimed they word. You are the one dancing in confusion.

spelling matters wrote:

lwood wrote:

Way to throw Sketchers under the bus.

Who are Sketchers?

6th largest shoe company in the WORLD!!

some basic facts wrote:

Any prototype shoe that is not available to the public is illegal. That is a fact. It doesn’t matter whether it works or makes a difference in results it is still illegal.

Therefore Shalane and Amy used an illegal product in the 2016 Trials.

That is a fact.

You are wrong . Nothing illegal happened .

Nah, padnah. She went specific.

Kara's like a bizarre hybrid of Nancy Kerrigan and Tonya Harding in one, and not in a favorable comparison.

And...................

Wait for it........

Waiiiiiiit for ittttttttttt.......

Test.

Seriously, no one cares. She went from washed up and maybe barely finishing nowhere in the Olympics to washed up and finishing nowhere in the Trials.

Stop complaining years after the fact. Had she better political skills to work with the people who use all the latest technologies and advances instead of being a prima donna who thinks too much of herself, she could have done better.

This is pathetic. Everyone could have done better with better technology. People who grew up in Ethiopia would do much better had they grown up how she did. You have to live with the corrupt, imperfect system. What happened to her is so far from the kind of thing that happens to most people in terms of structurally unfair disadvantages.

I guess if it nets her 10k for a story, she can sell it.