What US potential Olympians are MIA.

Is Allie kieffer update?

Anyone even pursuing the olympic marathon is MIA. The olympic marathon is an ironic return to the games' amateur roots.

Show me one fast American who says F the olympic trials and goes to London instead to battle Bekele, Kipchoge and company, and I'll show you the next Rupp - the next American who wants to be the BEST. Olympics is second tier.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Anyone even pursuing the olympic marathon is MIA. The olympic marathon is an ironic return to the games' amateur roots.

Show me one fast American who says F the olympic trials and goes to London instead to battle Bekele, Kipchoge and company, and I'll show you the next Rupp - the next American who wants to be the BEST. Olympics is second tier.

1. Rupp did run the trials

2. Kipchoge ran at the Olympic Games

credit all around wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

Anyone even pursuing the olympic marathon is MIA. The olympic marathon is an ironic return to the games' amateur roots.

Show me one fast American who says F the olympic trials and goes to London instead to battle Bekele, Kipchoge and company, and I'll show you the next Rupp - the next American who wants to be the BEST. Olympics is second tier.

1. Rupp did run the trials

2. Kipchoge ran at the Olympic Games

Honestly I think very few marathons have the best possible fields when you compare it to track championship races. Every world marathon "major" never seems to have more than 3 of the top ten runners for that year. It seems to always come down to one favorite only having to really beat another favorite. I know it is incredibly hard to win even one but that is something I have taken note of and never really hear anyone else saying.

For example if in tokyo we have Kipchoge bekele and no Kamwror then thats a disservice to it being a "championship marathon" . I remember in Rio they left Bekele and Desisa off the team and I did not put much stock in the whole race as a result.

I understand the temptation to call the Olympic marathon "second tier," but I think it is an incorrect conclusion. Alas, with the exception of Helsinki in 1983, the World Champs Marathon has always been second tier. But I don't think this is the case with the Olympics. Looking back at the results over the years you can see many of the champions of spring and fall marathons listed in the results of the Olympics. The fact that Kipchoge is the current Olympic champion should put the "second tier" assertion down, as was already pointed out. I think it should also be mentioned that the "championship conditions" of the Olympics--that is to say NO PACE MAKERS--will always give the Olympics race a certain lustre. Many of the guys who can run well when the event is scripted for them by a phalanx of pace makers struggle when they have decide how to handle an un-scripted event at the Olympics. It is to some extent regrettable that the marathon has become dominated by clock obsession. Personally I'd rather have fewer world records, like Steve Jones' surprise 1984 race in Chicago. And setting aside time, I crave races where how things play out are not overly determined before-hand, where the champion is not merely the one who responded best to the pace-making script but was the one who judged how the event played out best on the day. Obviously Kipchoge is so great because he has been shown to prevail under all conditions. I am glad he plans to show up in Tokyo ... or should I say Sapporo.

ThreadKiller wrote:

Honestly I think very few marathons have the best possible fields when you compare it to track championship races. Every world marathon "major" never seems to have more than 3 of the top ten runners for that year. It seems to always come down to one favorite only having to really beat another favorite. I know it is incredibly hard to win even one but that is something I have taken note of and never really hear anyone else saying.

For example if in tokyo we have Kipchoge bekele and no Kamwror then thats a disservice to it being a "championship marathon" . I remember in Rio they left Bekele and Desisa off the team and I did not put much stock in the whole race as a result.

The marathon majors for marathon is somewhat equivalent to diamond league track meets. Only a few of the top 10 show up at each one, they spread out and each get opportunities to win and get the most prize money per race. And then they all show up at the diamond league final because the prize money there is twice as much as the other ones.

If you want to see ALLL of the best race each other, you'll have to pay a bunch of money. Most majors pay around $100k or a little over to the winner, and then down to around 10th place will still receive a few thousand dollars. Boston goes the deepest at 15th place receiving $1k. To get ALL fast guys to show up, you'll have to advertise the winner to get $300k, 2nd like $200k, 3rd $125k and pay all the way down to 20th place still receiving $5k. Then all of the top 10 guys would show up, because 10th would still be making $50k from one race.

Calling on Richard Branson! Fund the top 25 in the WMM for a show down with zero pacemakers. Let's see who prevails.

OR John Legere...or me if I win the lottery lol.

I would give everyone a year and make the grand prize $1,000,000 and subtract $200k per place 1-5. All just for the sport.

ThreadKiller wrote:

Esterhazy wrote:

Calling on Richard Branson! Fund the top 25 in the WMM for a show down with zero pacemakers. Let's see who prevails.

OR John Legere...or me if I win the lottery lol.

I would give everyone a year and make the grand prize $1,000,000 and subtract $200k per place 1-5. All just for the sport.

I'm for it!

F London.

If I'm a 'fast' American right now, I'm wearing Cheaterflys and running Dubai. The Olympic marathon is a joke, and unless you're a 2:04 guy you stand no chance anyway.

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The marathon majors for marathon is somewhat equivalent to diamond league track meets. Only a few of the top 10 show up at each one, they spread out and each get opportunities to win and get the most prize money per race. And then they all show up at the diamond league final because the prize money there is twice as much as the other ones.

If you want to see ALLL of the best race each other, you'll have to pay a bunch of money. Most majors pay around $100k or a little over to the winner, and then down to around 10th place will still receive a few thousand dollars. Boston goes the deepest at 15th place receiving $1k. To get ALL fast guys to show up, you'll have to advertise the winner to get $300k, 2nd like $200k, 3rd $125k and pay all the way down to 20th place still receiving $5k. Then all of the top 10 guys would show up, because 10th would still be making $50k from one race.[/quote]

I think they would need massive appearance money to get all of the top runners.

They would want a guaranteed income if they're going to put it on the line and possibly finish 15th or worse in one of their two races for the year.

I'm thinking Ritz' best shot is to arrive in Atlanta healthy. Seems like after runs a good marathon prep race he breaks down.

But what about Stinson? I thought for sure he would have run Houston.

Cragg . . . she's been invisible except for some high 34 minute 10km last summer.

Abdi - tired of seeing his name well up on elite entry articles while using his 2:08 from two decades ago.

Kieffer is "pounding" out the training again with Brad but she's not a threat.

I did expect to see Korir run some tune up race. New Orleans on 2/9 is fast and where Ritz ran 1:01 last year, but it's a bit close to leapday.

One thing for sure - the trials will be exciting.

Do we even have workout news of Ritz or Rupp? I am curious.

2 of the best PRs in the field with big question marks for fitness.

Ritz often puts his training on IG and also on videos on YouTube. He’s open.

Rupp.....who cares about this clown anymore.

credit all around wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

Anyone even pursuing the olympic marathon is MIA. The olympic marathon is an ironic return to the games' amateur roots.

Show me one fast American who says F the olympic trials and goes to London instead to battle Bekele, Kipchoge and company, and I'll show you the next Rupp - the next American who wants to be the BEST. Olympics is second tier.

1. Rupp did run the trials

2. Kipchoge ran at the Olympic Games

Don't even bother replying. Just a longtime poster that is one angry dude, and likes to listen to himself talk. One of those people that thinks they're quite a bit more intelligent than they actually are. Probably from the East Coast. Seriously, just let it go.

Ryan Hall seems to be laying low these days

We all know that Mariel Hall is a stone cold lock in the 10,000 but don’t recall seeing her run any fall cross races.

I wanna know where is Cragg.

She's not with BTC in Colorado, although maybe she's on a different plan altogether.

I have a hunch she's a DNS, but hope I'm wrong. She seems like a super lady.