Asking what wrote:
And the shoes work perfectly well for his style of running. He is probably the model for Nike who is making shoes perfectly suited for Kipchoge strides.
Wow!
Asking what wrote:
And the shoes work perfectly well for his style of running. He is probably the model for Nike who is making shoes perfectly suited for Kipchoge strides.
Wow!
Ken lives wrote:
Kipchoge's success is for 96% the Kenyan juice and only for 4% the cheatershoes.
What is the 'KENYAN JUICE'?
Please explain succinctly.......in about a few paragraphs.
Didn't Kipchoge win Rio without Vaporflys? They were some version of the streaks, right? I think he'll be fine without the Vaporflys.
Since he said it's not the shoes but the person running, it shouldn't matter what shoes that he wears.
fhadhgdas wrote:
Didn't Kipchoge win Rio without Vaporflys? They were some version of the streaks, right? I think he'll be fine without the Vaporflys.
No. The shoes both Kip and Rupp were Vaporfly 4% prototypes, hence the controversy of them wearing a shoe not widely available at the time. IAAF(now World Athletics) has turned a blind eye to it.
Asking what wrote:
We all know he owes a lot of his success to the new shoes, who works extremely well with his style of running, in addition of always having a prototype before everyone else running in the former version. What happens if he doesn't have access to this help?
Does he walk away and retire?
I'm kind of worried about this. We all saw Kipchoge as the best in the world pre-Vaporfly. That London 2015 win, for instance, or the Berlin race where his insoles fell out. While the Vaporflys may be well-suited to his stride, there's no reason to believe he would have been anything less than the dominant GOAT without them--just with slower times across the board.
He's going to lose at some point, and it could always be the next race. What if Kipchoge declines right as the Vaporflys are banned? Then a bunch of people who didn't know his name before 2016 will say he's a product of the shoes. I hope we remember that that's not the case.
For sure. He has some of the best performances ever on the track (beating El G and Kenenisa in 2003, silvers to Bekele and Lagat in 2008 and 2007), and obviously the most dominant winner ever on the roads. Not the GOAT, but one of the GOATs long before the shoes. Take away his WRs and sub-2s and he's still a top 10ish all time distance runner.
Mizuno wave universe 5.
They are planning to ban the Alphafly, not the Vaporfly! It's a completely different shoe? 2 minutes faster over 26.2.
Wrong question wrote:
They are planning to ban the Alphafly, not the Vaporfly! It's a completely different shoe? 2 minutes faster over 26.2.
Actually nobody is entirely sure just what is going to be banned, currently it's just speculation.
Asking what wrote:
We all know he owes a lot of his success to the new shoes, who works extremely well with his style of running, in addition of always having a prototype before everyone else running in the former version. What happens if he doesn't have access to this help?
Does he walk away and retire?
Without the springs, he becomes a really fast marathoner that turns a 2:03:XX on his best day.
Asking what wrote:
We all know he owes a lot of his success to the new shoes, who works extremely well with his style of running, in addition of always having a prototype before everyone else running in the former version. What happens if he doesn't have access to this help?
Does he walk away and retire?
He's just another hobbyjogger like the rest of us.
If you’re going to set standards for shoes, how will this be enforced? Will all the big races now need a technical committee to assess the shoe stack heights and whether for not a plate is in there? You can’t do this the day before - it’s too easy to change out shoes right before the race.
The fact is, enforcing new restrictions will be chaos, and not work. Pro cycling and car racing are the only sports that I’m aware of where there is any inspection of equipment. I don’t think it can be done for running when you have thousands of people getting ready to race. Where do you draw the line? Inspect pros only, but leave everyone else to use anything?
And if a ruling comes down about stack heights, then there’s a large number of shoes that will need to be restricted. Will you still be able to train in them? Manufacturers will sue, saying the restrictions are an arbitrary and unproven attack in their ability to innovate and sell their products. Money always wins in the end.
I would agree that no unreleased shoes should be allowed on the starting lines, only shoes that are publicly available for sale. That’s as far as I think they can go.
Asking what wrote:
And the shoes work perfectly well for his style of running. He is probably the model for Nike who is making shoes perfectly suited for Kipchoge strides.
What is it, specifically, about Kipchoge’s stride for which you feel the shoes are “perfectly suited “?
He suffers the least out of all Nike athletes if all VF models are banned. He believes in himself and will prepare perfectly again for any race in any shoe he has to run in. He does not lose confidence in himself no matter what the conditions are, in fact the very inconsistent Bekele is the likely person to be affected by the ban.
Uh, he wears different shoes and beats everyone including Bekele? Kipchoge has two races to win this year. I'm not betting against him.
Not impossible that Bekele or some younger guy wins, but not likely.
Also, how long will it take Nike to make a new super shoe that is within the parameters of new rules?
By Tokyo, Kipchoge will have some pair of amazing shoes or other. Nike will game it. Other companies will too. You can't stop the march of technology.
douglas burke wrote:
Eliud Kipchoge was a GREAT runner LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG Before the Vaporflys came out.
Finally someone who is smart
Kenyans FTW wrote:
Ah yes let's ignore everything he accomplished prior to the Nike breaking 2 project... he's just a product of Vaporflys.
He is the world's best period, get out of here with this crap "he would retire" lol
He was a 2:04 runner before the VFs. It's feasible he still is a 2:04 runner since the VFs are worth anything between 1m30 and 2m30. No one can say for sure he is capable of sub-2:03 without the bounce of the VFs. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't but right now, all his best performances are based on shoe tech to some degree
Well he actually hasn’t broken 2:04 without vaporflys sooo
Fax wrote:
Well he actually hasn’t broken 2:04 without vaporflys sooo
Well he actually has ran exactly 2:04:00 with a pair of destroyed streaks sooo