Mary Cain Calls Out Letsrun

Ironic Isn't It? wrote:

It's ironic that Cain posts to "Fast Women", a website that excludes men and other genders.

No. Because women are a minority in sports representation. A site dedicated to fast women is to show standouts among an already underrepresented group.

Ironic Isn't It? wrote:

It's ironic that Cain posts to "Fast Women", a website that excludes men and other genders.

You're part of the mF'in problem dude. I guess it's ironic if she uses a women's bathroom as well huh? Because it excludes men and other genders? Seriously, STOP scrounging for bread crumbs. You couldn't find a legitimate counterpoint so just stop before you make yourself look even dumber than you already do.

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

Ironic Isn't It? wrote:

It's ironic that Cain posts to "Fast Women", a website that excludes men and other genders.

No. Because women are a minority in sports representation. A site dedicated to fast women is to show standouts among an already underrepresented group.

Women are not a minority, they are even.

By the way, I have no problem with gender specific forum regarding competition. For tennis, there is tennisforum discussion women competiton and menstennisforum discussing men competitions.

But people who don't like Letsrun should just get out and move to their 'politice and civil" forum. Except that they don't because it's boring and that they are wasteland.

She has a right to call out the site if she doesn't like what is being said on it. Here is her quote from the outside online article: 'You’re like, ‘I have broken five minutes for the mile as an eighth grader and adult men are in their moms’ basements writing articles about me'

What is she trying to say? The brojos don't live in their parents basement and they write the articles. I don't imagine the other payed staff who write articles for LRC live in their parents basements, but if they did, would it matter?

She's likely refering to ranom lewd comments made by anonymous message board posters.

Where they live makes no difference.

As far as your white male reference, I think that sounds silly. I too am a white male. I make no apologies for the color of my skin. Nothing is wrong with being white and while perhaps it is true the majority of wealthy men are white, this is because of how history has played out. A man should never apologize for the color of his skin or any perceieved privileges he may have had because of the way society has evolved.

People always lose me on the 'white privilege' angle. Sounds ridiculous and absurd.

Yes it is true the board has right leanings but that is a trend reflective of the site's owners and culture. They can create whatever culture they want.

The fact is they try to remove lewd remarks, I believe and have improved. Anonymous posting permits this behavior but one can always report posts.

I think the problem people have with letsrun is with some of the people who come here. Wherever you go, you're going to run into people you may not want to but you deal with them.

I think that all of the discussion regarding LRC's negative image has some merit but is getting old. Reputations take time to change. LRC is what it is. It has it's pluses, it has it's drawbacks. Some people don't like it. Some people do. I don't mind the site. It's not where I want to spend all day but every now and then I find it to be insightful. I don't steriotype the site in a negative way. I also lived with my parents well into adulthood. I don't complain about LRC on the board who may try to paint those like myself in a negative light.

Sticking the fork wrote:

Yawn. Cain is done. Her days as a top runner are long gone and she knows it, now she's blaming everything and everyone else for her failures.

And you'll never be as fast as her at your best...so your point? Every runner gets 'done' at some point in their life. But few leave a mark. Cain's name will always be in the record books. What has you accomplished? The fact that you're even talking about her right now shows that she's made more of an impact on running than you is will ever make.

I can think of no more potentially boring site than an Oiselle running message board. Unless they are objectifying male runners, which is one of my favorite threads that occasionally pop up here. I think I'll stay with letsrun.

mar828 wrote:

I can think of no more potentially boring site than an Oiselle running message board. Unless they are objectifying male runners, which is one of my favorite threads that occasionally pop up here. I think I'll stay with letsrun.

I really hope they start one. Then it will be clear why people prefer one over the other.

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

Ironic Isn't It? wrote:

It's ironic that Cain posts to "Fast Women", a website that excludes men and other genders.

You're part of the mF'in problem dude. I guess it's ironic if she uses a women's bathroom as well huh? Because it excludes men and other genders? Seriously, STOP scrounging for bread crumbs. You couldn't find a legitimate counterpoint so just stop before you make yourself look even dumber than you already do.

Looks like you are part of the problem along with Cain and "Fast Women" that excludes others that don't conform to their stereotypes or gender.

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

Sticking the fork wrote:

Yawn. Cain is done. Her days as a top runner are long gone and she knows it, now she's blaming everything and everyone else for her failures.

And you'll never be as fast as her at your best...so your point? Every runner gets 'done' at some point in their life. But few leave a mark. Cain's name will always be in the record books. What has you accomplished? The fact that you're even talking about her right now shows that she's made more of an impact on running than you is will ever make.

I am sorry but you are reversing the logic here.

Nobody talk about Mary Cain anymore, except when she whines to the press every two weeks and this time about Letsrun forum which is not like she wants it to be. I had sympathy initially for what she felt at Salazar camp but it is evaporing quickly. The more she speaks, the more it looks like she needs to scapegoat everyone else for her failures.

Asking what wrote:

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

No. Because women are a minority in sports representation. A site dedicated to fast women is to show standouts among an already underrepresented group.

Women are not a minority, they are even.

Maybe read the entire sentence?

[quote]alt-right posts wrote:

The issue is captures in wejo's post.

They don't actually care about stopping racism or sexism or homophobia or antisemitism,

Cut the nonsense.

Plenty of racism and sexism here.

Maybe some homophobia.

NO anti-semitism. Plenty of hatred of Muslims though

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Maybe read the entire sentence?

Women are not minority , that's all. You are infantilizing them.

By the way you can't force every one to share the same interests. Women care less about sport and competitions. Do wedding planning forums and communities complain they don't have enough men on their boards or that the content isn't manly enough?? Of course no.

This website isn't directed toward a soccer mom audience. If a better running forum existed, you wouldn't be here complaining but you would be elsewhere. Therefore I conclude that you find Letsrun to be the best running related forum.

Some of you guys who are so quick to talk down about women really really need to serve a stint in prison. I did 3 months in county jail and at times, Some of you all will learn what it feels like to be in a woman's shoes. To be talked down and talked about in disgusting terms by other male inmates who view you as a woman...

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

Some of you guys who are so quick to talk down about women really really need to serve a stint in prison. I did 3 months in county jail and at times, Some of you all will learn what it feels like to be in a woman's shoes. To be talked down and talked about in disgusting terms by other male inmates who view you as a woman...

Let your fantasies out of this discussion.

Women aren't being talked down. Their results are being talked a lot and discussed almost as much as the men despite their performances being far away.

People here are open to criticize men, women and anybody. You are just asking the website to be bland and without any humor.

Dear Mary, I hope you dont include me in that group. For years, I've tried my best to be your guardian angel by killing every post or thread that went that direction. You may not believe it but, by and large, the broad community of Letsrun regulars want nothing to do with those kinds of posts. Only a small minority of very persistant cretins are causing 95 percent of the problems here.

The newer moderation tools seem to help. However, if you (or any other female or minor) ever has any questions about specific offensive posts you can contact me directly. I have a sledgehammer and I'm not afraid to use it.

This sentiment would go a lot farther if it were backed up by definitive action. The way this comment reads is that you're scared of personal repercussions, because you suspect this and similar controversial threads are picked up by a wider audience. If you want to clear your name, fix this site. You and LRC admin just pop in to controversial threads to defend yourselves and then leave. It feels like you just want to have a statement in a thread that could reflect poorly on you and the site.

If you mean what you say, reach out to her directly and not through this tiny post-it note in a forum. You wouldn't get any credit, but that's how it goes when you do the right thing sometimes.

I have been on here for about 12 years now. Used a different handle about 8 years ago. I hate to say it but this message board was much worse back in the aughts and early teens. People on 4chan would probably be put off by what was going on back then.

The brojos have made some good progress cleaning up this message board. More could be done. I think requiring registration is a good idea to keep out the worst of the trolls. But I think it would stink if you had to reveal your identity. Many of us are active in our local running community or train with a group. That outlet is generally a politics free zone where we just get together, run and talk about stupid stuff. if we all read each other's posts on lestrun, we would probably not be able to stand each other anymore. So, in a way, letsrun is a nice outlet for runners to just say what they want without having to worry about being alienated from a very small group that is important to them.

As for the pros, I can see why they are concerned about letsrun. Our sport has a very limited fan base. If I was a pro, I would be very concerned that letsrun is turning off potential distance running fans because of its message board. That is a legit criticism of letsrun.

But any pro who has been hurt personally by people sh#tposting on letsrun really needs to blame their coaches, parents and anyone else who is responsible for their running career. Everyone knows what goes on here. And it only takes about 5 mins on this message board to figure it out if you are new. If you let your pro athlete go out on unfiltered social media or letsrun, you are asking for it. Pro runners are under too much pressure to be expected to have the mental fortitude to take letsrun with the proper grain of salt. They should just be kept as far away from this message board as possible.

This. Exactly.

The thing is, I don't think the brojos can fix this site.

It would require work, which as two people completely devoted to dubyaing their ways through life they are mortally opposed to.

Or, it would require dipping into their trust fund to hire someone to do the work. Even thinking about hiring someone is more work than the brojos ever want to do.