Mary Cain Calls Out Letsrun

It's ironic that Cain posts to "Fast Women", a website that excludes men and other genders.

Obviously this stuff is bad and should be moderated away. I feel like the BroJos have gotten better about getting this kind of junk off the boards faster than before.

Yawn. Cain is done. Her days as a top runner are long gone and she knows it, now she's blaming everything and everyone else for her failures.

Cain needs to get over herself. Many, many, many people have suffered worse than her in life and have not a single time complained or whined about it . She’s not some “oppressed” being who has some unique level of suffering she’s experienced. This is so cringeworthy . Get over it alone like the rest of us.

the Truthhh wrote:

Cain needs to get over herself. Many, many, many people have suffered worse than her in life and have not a single time complained or whined about it . She’s not some “oppressed” being who has some unique level of suffering she’s experienced. This is so cringeworthy . Get over it alone like the rest of us.

Reminds me of this:

I’m a woman, I’m not a fan of everything I read on these often-stupid boards, but that’s the beauty of the internet...you can easily, at-will remove yourself from it. If you don’t want to read it, just...don’t read it. What Mary and Leah O’Connor and everyone else who complains about message board posters don’t realize is that you can so easily structure your own existence so that you never have to come into contact with these posts about you. It’s not like people are screaming these speculations and judgments about your body and your looks on the street, where you have to hear it and react in some way. YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO LOOK AWAY. USE IT

This became clear to me on my last run.

letsrun has an image problem. That much is undeniable. Whether or not LRC admin thinks this is legitimate, it exists. That is the nature of an image problem - it isn't an admin decision. Two main paths I see:

a) Actually solve the image problem. Do what is necessary so the increasingly loud voices stop being so loud. Why do they have so much ammunition and enjoy so much support? This is the PR path employed by most companies.

b) Do what is necessary to keep the heat off, while still rolling their eyes at the source of the criticism. Basically, as opposed to trying to eradicate the problem itself, this approach focuses on getting people off their back. A spot-treatment instead of a deep-clean of the whole carpet.

I see a whole lot of option b here. And that's because, if option A were selected, the site might change from the way admin wants it to be. Which is totally allowed, but the fate of the forum rests in the balance. I could see LRC going on without the forum. And without a real comprehensive treatment, that's where we are headed. And the knuckleheads who maintain there isn't a problem can post right about it here, right until the forum goes offline.

The issue is not this forum, the moderation or lack thereof. The real problem is that men relate to women as feminized objects - not athletes, sisters or even human beings. It is a subconscious disease that can't be cured within by those already poisoned by their parents and brought up in a society that idealizes (and also treats with contempt) the female form, condition and constitution. This is the truth. Mary Cain has lived the paradox and is understandably frustrated, disillusioned. She will eventually be able to take a step back and view her experience with a different lens. She will be healed by courageous men in her life who show her their humanity, integrity and understanding. And her ability to form the next generation will give her renewed faith.

replying into the void wrote:

I’m a woman, I’m not a fan of everything I read on these often-stupid boards, but that’s the beauty of the internet...you can easily, at-will remove yourself from it. If you don’t want to read it, just...don’t read it. What Mary and Leah O’Connor and everyone else who complains about message board posters don’t realize is that you can so easily structure your own existence so that you never have to come into contact with these posts about you. It’s not like people are screaming these speculations and judgments about your body and your looks on the street, where you have to hear it and react in some way. YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO LOOK AWAY. USE IT

This x1000

sunshines rays wrote:

The issue is not this forum, the moderation or lack thereof. The real problem is that men relate to women as feminized objects - not athletes, sisters or even human beings. It is a subconscious disease that can't be cured within by those already poisoned by their parents and brought up in a society that idealizes (and also treats with contempt) the female form, condition and constitution. This is the truth. Mary Cain has lived the paradox and is understandably frustrated, disillusioned. She will eventually be able to take a step back and view her experience with a different lens. She will be healed by courageous men in her life who show her their humanity, integrity and understanding. And her ability to form the next generation will give her renewed faith.

When will women athletes stop lining up to take off there clothing for Naked calendars ?

It's a cesspool for sure, but the only way to clean it up would be to require real names like facebook.

Until then, I will continue to post under this and other stupid aliases.

Mary Cain has the right to call out bs when she sees it. Good on her.

I've been visiting the site since I was...14, maybe 15. I came for the coverage, then the MB information r/t training and now I come for all that and to see what people (Yes, most MB posters are people) are really thinking.

It takes 10 seconds to spot a troll and less time to avoid click-bait strings. I don't read some threads like I don't read some newspaper comments or twitter conversations.

If you think hiring a woman would solve problems you're wrong. This is a site that is HEAVILY trafficked by men. Hiring a woman as a moderator is for show.

Just in case she is reading the MB still, Mary: Stop reading the comments. Everywhere. Seek validation within and among those you care about. Run fast.

If nobody calls out sexists and racists and other toxic posters, then they control the space. If you were at the supermarket and someone was insulting someone else, would you stand up? Or slink away.

The issue is captures in wejo's post.

They don't actually care about stopping racism or sexism or homophobia or antisemitism, all of which are on here regularly, because it is wrong and they do not think it contributes to a healthy, vibrant community. They only care about muting the perception, because it is bad for business.

It makes perfect sense of the half-measures taken to occasionally tamp down the worst, while leaving up many, many posts that should be removed.

I’m sorry, but these people just want to turn the world into a bloated HR department.

And, there it is. A toxic thread is started full of toxic posts by toxic people upset because Mary Cain complained about toxic threads. Only on LRC will the toxic posters feel victimized by someone suggesting you shouldn’t say bad things about a 12 year old girls body. Stunning. Welcome to LRC, the safe space for abhorrent behavior.

toxic thread wrote:

And, there it is. A toxic thread is started full of toxic posts by toxic people upset because Mary Cain complained about toxic threads. Only on LRC will the toxic posters feel victimized by someone suggesting you shouldn’t say bad things about a 12 year old girls body. Stunning. Welcome to LRC, the safe space for abhorrent behavior.

Totally agree. Sad to see this post immediately turned sexism and racism. Almost half of the posts on this thread would be deleted on a well moderated message board. In the absence of aggressive moderation it’s clear that this board leans far right/white-male apologist (I’m a white male), and while people like Des Linden might have thick enough skin to deal with it, it’s simply not reasonable or right to expect everyone to take the Des approach. The problem is that the BroJos (or at least Rojo) conform to the far right/white-male apologist viewpoint so they see no problem with the boards reflecting that.

Eyeroll wrote:

Totally agree. Sad to see this post immediately turned sexism and racism. Almost half of the posts on this thread would be deleted on a well moderated message board.

What part of me pointing out that Cain posts to "Fast Women" that actively excludes men and other genders is "sexism"?