Armstronglivs wrote:
Come on - don't be coy, rekrunner. Just say it outright - doping doesn't work for top marathon runners. Dumb Moroccans.
I do love our chats, but I'm afraid we've long past worn out our welcome, so I'll just make one last plea for knowledge.
I don't know now what "works" means to you.
I think altitude training works; I think organized structured training with adequate nutrition and recovery works; I think male pacemaking works. If you have all that, can EPO bring more benefit to the top marathoner? To any marathoner? I don't know.
But the question I put before you is not the hypothetical, "does EPO work for the marathon?", but rather, has it worked, say within the top-100 performances, and how do we know it was EPO?
Here is another opportunity for you to show that, as a self-proclaimed kettle, you are the shiny stainless steel kettle, capable of deep reflection.
I asked the admittedly highly restrictive question of which is (are) the fastest performance(s) known to be doped, and concede that this identification of the boundary of where our confirmed knowledge ends is the ultra-conservative starting point of a wide spectrum of possibilities that could range from 1% to 11% to 50% or more.
When I say "we don't have knowledge" about the intersection of doping and high performance in the marathon, I also speak for myself, and this forms an opportunity for others, like you, to prove me wrong, and provide knowledge I may be unaware of.
Since I have repeatedly asked what knowledge exists:
- I'm prepared to listen to, not your re-declarations, speculation, or odd analogies about marathon performance according to Armstronglivs, but why you believe your speculative conclusions are based on collective knowledge, with specific and applicable external references to the topic of doping performance in the marathon.
- I'm also prepared to read any doping research that was performed for the event of the marathon -- not just top marathoners but any marathoners.