The Astros are cheats story is getting crazier and crazier. A twitter account that some say belongs to Carlos Belrtan's niece said that Jose Altuve and Bregman had buzzers on their shoulder that tipped them to pitches. When Altuve hit his series clinching homer, he definitely made sure no one ripped off his jersey as shown below.
https://twitter.com/NYYDJ2/status/1217196077927084043
For the record, Altuve emphatically denied the report.
Watch those cheaters start to suck this year. Probably on the juice too makes sense since they're midgets hitting Homer's.
Perfectly reasonable excuse. He's shy, and also last time it happened, he got in trouble with his wife, you see.
I doubt it, although I think they deserve the heat and speculation. This is what happens to a tainted image... everything gets questioned.
The Beltrans made a statement that the tweeter is not their niece.
I thought they were wacking a trash can to signal the hitters.
Sally?
Well, the picture in the article is of his left shoulder (and it could well have a concealed buzzer), while the claim is that the buzzer was on his right shoulder.
Yes, I totally believe that an alleged multibillionaire scam would use spiffy 90s tech like "buzzers"...
Here's a hint: go to your nearest uni town, see all the devices they have to relay signals, etc. for cheating on tests.
Micro-speakers in your ear that only a doctor can remove, subcutaneous whatnot, you name it.
Maybe the Russians did it somehow wrote:
Yes, I totally believe that an alleged multibillionaire scam would use spiffy 90s tech like "buzzers"...
Here's a hint: go to your nearest uni town, see all the devices they have to relay signals, etc. for cheating on tests.
Micro-speakers in your ear that only a doctor can remove, subcutaneous whatnot, you name it.
Why wouldn't they? After all, it's already established that they used the decidedly non-high tech method of beating on a trash can to send signals. Using buzzers would have been a huge step up.
Sensors were hidden in the rectum. The number of micro-squirms the sensors gave off indicated the pitch that was coming. ... Hey, athletes will do anything to "win."
Jim Shortz wrote:
Maybe the Russians did it somehow wrote:
Yes, I totally believe that an alleged multibillionaire scam would use spiffy 90s tech like "buzzers"...
Here's a hint: go to your nearest uni town, see all the devices they have to relay signals, etc. for cheating on tests.
Micro-speakers in your ear that only a doctor can remove, subcutaneous whatnot, you name it.
Why wouldn't they? After all, it's already established that they used the decidedly non-high tech method of beating on a trash can to send signals. Using buzzers would have been a huge step up.
68 witnesses were interviewed during the investigation so it would have come to light if they were using buzzers. The big crime was using the video from the centerfield camara to steal signs, so there would have been no reason to lie about buzzers.
Sign stealing has been a thing in baseball for years. Rather than acknowledge the problem or set limits baseball has ignored this. Now every couple of years MLB decides someone has taken the common practice too far such as the Blue Jays a couple of years ago and now this. I would expect 5 or 6 other teams had similar programs or something MLB hasn't even thought of. Since everyone in the sport knows it happens and has accepted it for years the outrage over this is ridiculous. Baseball is just trying to prevent a steroid backlash 2.0 since they've been able to pull the blinders over everyone even through roids are still rampant.
I think baseball needs to create a set of rules of what is allowed as a part of sign stealing. They need to acknowledge at some level it is part of the sport and what is allowable and what is not. Any type of electronic or use of technology should be out. Any participant outside the players and coaches should be as well. But protecting your signs is a part of the game. Teams should protect them but at the same time also know what the other team can do within the rules that must protect against. So if your signs are stolen it's your own fault.
I saw all this blow up on Twitter yesterday. Actually after the last time he had his jersey ripped off he was on the news a day or two later saying he got in trouble with his wife and he couldn’t do that anymore. It wasn’t after the fact as in I didn’t let them rip my jersey off because this. It was well known because he said it on the news here that he couldn’t go shirtless any longer. Also, his teammates, allegedly in on the buzzer scheme would have to be real dumbA’s to rip his shirt off and expose his buzzer. In fact, for that reason I’m sure this is a non-story. He had his shirt ripped more than once and he was often in a tank top after games with no buzzer visible.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Jim Shortz wrote:
Why wouldn't they? After all, it's already established that they used the decidedly non-high tech method of beating on a trash can to send signals. Using buzzers would have been a huge step up.
68 witnesses were interviewed during the investigation so it would have come to light if they were using buzzers. The big crime was using the video from the centerfield camara to steal signs, so there would have been no reason to lie about buzzers.
Aztec - cheating is allowed in MLB as long as it is done by players in the field. Once you bring electronics into the equation is when MLB has some major problems. The Astros were stealing signs and then sending that to the Astros dugout where you had the trash can-banging. I am still not sure what to make of this buzzer stuff. Just imagine how the AStros will be treated at every stadium next year by the fans. To say that they will be the most reviled team in all of MLB is a huge understatement. It will wear on the team all the boos and jeers and everything else.
The NFL and MLB need to have an independent team of construction and IT professional conduct an audit of all MLB and NFL facilities to find all of the secret cameras these teams have in order to maintain the integrity of the game. Unannounced immediately following a home game. Start with the Patriots and the Astros.
comedyrelief wrote:
The NFL and MLB need to have an independent team of construction and IT professional conduct an audit of all MLB and NFL facilities to find all of the secret cameras these teams have in order to maintain the integrity of the game. Unannounced immediately following a home game. Start with the Patriots and the Astros.
Pretty sure the OWNER of one of those teams doesn't know much about secret cameras!!
Right after he went to the locker room to change into a t-shirt...which is odd to say the least.
Jim Shortz wrote:
Maybe the Russians did it somehow wrote:
Yes, I totally believe that an alleged multibillionaire scam would use spiffy 90s tech like "buzzers"...
Here's a hint: go to your nearest uni town, see all the devices they have to relay signals, etc. for cheating on tests.
Micro-speakers in your ear that only a doctor can remove, subcutaneous whatnot, you name it.
Why wouldn't they? After all, it's already established that they used the decidedly non-high tech method of beating on a trash can to send signals. Using buzzers would have been a huge step up.
Exactly.
My cheating invention for track is to attack a lightweight electroshock device to the runner and when it is time to kick, the coach presses the button to make them go faster. Similar to when a jockey whips a horse.
kmaclam wrote:
Jim Shortz wrote:
Why wouldn't they? After all, it's already established that they used the decidedly non-high tech method of beating on a trash can to send signals. Using buzzers would have been a huge step up.
Exactly.
First rule of any scam: make sure there's no physical evidence.
Plausible denialability is always a key. When you have a system that works (trash can soundings), why go to something that could be discovered?
Sally Vix wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
68 witnesses were interviewed during the investigation so it would have come to light if they were using buzzers. The big crime was using the video from the centerfield camara to steal signs, so there would have been no reason to lie about buzzers.
Aztec - cheating is allowed in MLB as long as it is done by players in the field. Once you bring electronics into the equation is when MLB has some major problems. The Astros were stealing signs and then sending that to the Astros dugout where you had the trash can-banging. I am still not sure what to make of this buzzer stuff. Just imagine how the AStros will be treated at every stadium next year by the fans. To say that they will be the most reviled team in all of MLB is a huge understatement. It will wear on the team all the boos and jeers and everything else.
Sally,
Do you believe Cora should get a lifetime ban? Even though I'm a Red Sox fan I'm in favor of it. He had to know what they were doing was very wrong and that there would be hell to pay if they got caught, but he did it anyway. He brought a manager and GM down with him, caused harsh penalties for the Astros and tainted a WS win. He might have tainted the 2018 Sox, as well.