El Keniano wrote:
The Stablemaster wrote:
Haha, you're so far off the mark. Your nescience is embarrassing.
Because “these people need me”, right? Just go, you’re a big part of the problem. You’d be surprised how well any Kenyans you’re in contact with would cope without you.
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El Keniano wrote:
The Stablemaster wrote:
Haha. I'm going to be here for many more years. Lots of important work to do...
Mo Farah can’t go back to Ethiopia over a minor spat with Haile G, yet this person that’s working to bring down Kenyan athletics is allowed to stay un bothered. Why can’t Kenya gain some pride like Ethiopia? I seriously hope the locals come to their senses and a backlash changes your mind.
You mean when Mo’s epo money was stolen in Haile’s hotel and then Mo tried to beat up a woman in the hotel gym? I’d say that is more than a minor spat.
The East African myth was just epo wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
Mo Farah can’t go back to Ethiopia over a minor spat with Haile G, yet this person that’s working to bring down Kenyan athletics is allowed to stay un bothered. Why can’t Kenya gain some pride like Ethiopia? I seriously hope the locals come to their senses and a backlash changes your mind.
You mean when Mo’s epo money was stolen in Haile’s hotel and then Mo tried to beat up a woman in the hotel gym? I’d say that is more than a minor spat.
Farah pissed about not being able to bring Aden to stay at Haile's hotel, presumably for Mo's training camp.
El Keniano wrote:
The Stablemaster wrote:
Haha, you're so far off the mark. Your nescience is embarrassing.
Because “these people need me”, right? Just go, you’re a big part of the problem. You’d be surprised how well any Kenyans you’re in contact with would cope without you.
Again you hate all white people and demand stablemaster leaves kenya.....yet your mouth is silent when it comes to dr rosa....why is that mr pasty brit pretending to be kenyan?
In your mind el k, there are only 3 good white people huh? Renato, dr rosa, and oconnel....or do they all need to leave as well?
I'll say it again: your nescience is embarrassing.
Hi Stablemaster,
El K's nationalist anger is a good indication that we should provide greater support the AIU and journalists exposing cheater.
BR
a hobby runner who is training daily before work (Dr. in management position) and family (kids)
Ask him why he would willingly stay in Kenya if it’s so dirty. And what he would think of someone starting a training camp in a place like Russia given what we know. His insistence on remaining in a country while continuing to bad-mouth it is hypocritical. Neighbouring Ethiopia, Uganda and Eritrea have distance running talent without a single doping bust, and I’m sure he’d be far more welcome there.
I understand it’s a very un-Kenyan stance to take but I’m afraid Kenyans are generally too open, trusting, welcoming and accommodating of foreign influences for their own good, often to their peril. These parasites exploit this hospitality for their own personal gain whilst resenting everything about the country and it’s people. It’s just unconscionable someone would do this from within the country.
El Keniano wrote:
Ask him why he would willingly stay in Kenya if it’s so dirty. And what he would think of someone starting a training camp in a place like Russia given what we know. His insistence on remaining in a country while continuing to bad-mouth it is hypocritical. Neighbouring Ethiopia, Uganda and Eritrea have distance running talent without a single doping bust, and I’m sure he’d be far more welcome there.
I understand it’s a very un-Kenyan stance to take but I’m afraid Kenyans are generally too open, trusting, welcoming and accommodating of foreign influences for their own good, often to their peril. These parasites exploit this hospitality for their own personal gain whilst resenting everything about the country and it’s people. It’s just unconscionable someone would do this from within the country.
You sound like trumpsters like that.....but here in the US thats considered racist to purify like that....but you want kenya “pure” but you dont think its racist?
You want to purify kenya? Then kick all whites out
Where have I said I hate the country, and the people etc? I've said there is a serious doping problem and it needs sorting so that the country can move forward; it will get sorted and soon - you won't like it but it's happening, lad.
Your ostrich-like approach is one of the major problems with athletics in Kenya. I suspect, however, you have some sort of business reason to want the 'whites out'. I have a good idea what that is too. Ironically, your stance will work against yu in the long run. But, you're a harmless fool...
*you
Bluesky wrote:
The only solution is to create a serious investigation with special secret agents like when you want discover a cocaine trafficking , that sort of investigation level, with mobile phone monitored by police.
This is the only solution and you will see that things will start to change in better.
They did that to Jama Aden, and this resulted in a monster drugs bust in 2016 in Spain to the extent that it was obvious that basically all of his athletes were doping given the quantitities of EPO and steroids that were found. However the sport's authorities basically did NOTHING. All of Aden's athletes were allowed to continue competing including the Dibaba sisters (who were present at the hotel of the monster bust). Cycling gets a bad rap for drug abuse but when the Festina team car was found by the police with an arsenal of EPO and steroids in its trunk at the 1998 Tour de France the Festina team was banned from the Tour; the authorities did not mess around trying to see who tested positive as they knew the testing system was inadequate.
boosted testers wrote:
Bluesky wrote:
The only solution is to create a serious investigation with special secret agents like when you want discover a cocaine trafficking , that sort of investigation level, with mobile phone monitored by police.
This is the only solution and you will see that things will start to change in better.
They did that to Jama Aden, and this resulted in a monster drugs bust in 2016 in Spain to the extent that it was obvious that basically all of his athletes were doping given the quantitities of EPO and steroids that were found. However the sport's authorities basically did NOTHING. All of Aden's athletes were allowed to continue competing including the Dibaba sisters (who were present at the hotel of the monster bust). Cycling gets a bad rap for drug abuse but when the Festina team car was found by the police with an arsenal of EPO and steroids in its trunk at the 1998 Tour de France the Festina team was banned from the Tour; the authorities did not mess around trying to see who tested positive as they knew the testing system was inadequate.
What they did is take in the riders and interrogate them and most of them admitted to doping after a while. I don't think they did that for Aden's athletes, on the other hand there was no (at least official) EPO test in 1998 but there was one in 2016 so...
boosted testers wrote:
They did that to Jama Aden, and this resulted in a monster drugs bust in 2016 in Spain to the extent that it was obvious that basically all of his athletes were doping given the quantitities of EPO and steroids that were found. However the sport's authorities basically did NOTHING. All of Aden's athletes were allowed to continue competing including the Dibaba sisters (who were present at the hotel of the monster bust). Cycling gets a bad rap for drug abuse but when the Festina team car was found by the police with an arsenal of EPO and steroids in its trunk at the 1998 Tour de France the Festina team was banned from the Tour; the authorities did not mess around trying to see who tested positive as they knew the testing system was inadequate.
Not exactly NOTHING.
The IAAF sanctioned Musaeb Balla for 4 years, a sanction upheld by CAS.
During the bust, the IAAF tested all of the athletes on the spot. As all tests were NEGATIVE, the authorities could do NOTHING more.
Jama Aden and Ouarid Mounir are currently being tried in the Spanish courts. The IAAF is likely waiting the verdict, and any evidence, before charging them further, so as not to interfere with a criminal trial.
In cycling, the Festina team were raided by the French police, under suspicion of violating French law. The ASO is not the cycling "authorities" per se, but the Tour de France owner and organizer. Participation in the Tour de France is by invitation, and ASO has the power to invite, or uninvite teams as they wish. The REAL cycling and doping authority, the UCI, did NOTHING for years, thus becoming the first major target of the newly formed WADA, led by Dick Pound.
The Stablemaster wrote:
Where have I said I hate the country, and the people etc? I've said there is a serious doping problem and it needs sorting so that the country can move forward; it will get sorted and soon - you won't like it but it's happening, lad.
Your ostrich-like approach is one of the major problems with athletics in Kenya. I suspect, however, you have some sort of business reason to want the 'whites out'. I have a good idea what that is too. Ironically, your stance will work against yu in the long run. But, you're a harmless fool...
There’s no instance of me mentioning “the whites” in any of my posts. I know the difference, and that would be racist like you and your Irish brethren are doing with their “all Kenyans can’t be trusted” and “Kenyan running is a sham” spiels. Again, I have no problem with white Kenyans or people like Wanders who have genuine love for the country and culture.
But you, sir, have stated your wish to see Kenya banned (extremely unlikely according to my sources) and openly relish the thought. It’s quite obvious where your loyalties lie.
As for my alleged “business” interests, HA! You’ve officially joined the long list of unfounded LetsRun theories about me (FTR “Venezuelan runner” is still my favourite). And just so you know, I have no nose for business but can smell a racist from miles off.
Something to see in Sabadell wrote:
During the bust, the IAAF tested all of the athletes on the spot. As all tests were NEGATIVE, the authorities could do NOTHING more.
Sad but true. That was a convincing demonstration of how easy one can beat the testing.
We can also add Operation Aderlass to the list of successful police actions. But unfortunately anti-transparency Coe continues his fight against criminalization of doping.
Youre all racists.
Remember, this is MLK Day.
casual obsever wrote:
Something to see in Sabadell wrote:
During the bust, the IAAF tested all of the athletes on the spot. As all tests were NEGATIVE, the authorities could do NOTHING more.
Sad but true. That was a convincing demonstration of how easy one can beat the testing.
It has always been easy to beat the testing -- don't dope.
Even then, there is always the small risk of a false positive.
Something to see in Sabadell wrote:
Jama Aden and Ouarid Mounir are currently being tried in the Spanish courts. The IAAF is likely waiting the verdict, and any evidence, before charging them further, so as not to interfere with a criminal trial.
Ooh, another one of my favorite suspenseful topics.
Will the court find a connection between Aden and EPO? Or will it find a verdict of trafficking injectable vitamins? It's like when you binge watch all the seasons of your favorite series on Netflix, and then you have to wait for ages for the next season to find out what happens next.
One consequence of the criminal trials "casual" is in favor of will be even lengthier verdicts than we have with an arbitration system.
No, there isn't anyone. Since 1995, all of the best Kenyans (and Ethiopians) have been on drugs. The advantage brought by EPO was so big that clean athletes could not compete. (Several years ago, I demonstrated it on this forum, using graphs of annual mean times in distance races).
And I doubt that even the medal winners from Soul 1988 were clean because the sudden improvement of the Kenyan athletics was too suspicious.