I honestly don't think she's strong enough in the gym yet. She hasn't reached the power to weight ratio needed to run fast times below 50.6.
And it's all about power to weight ratio. The only way she's ever going to improve this is by lifting heavier.
Knows Brits wrote:
The short answer is no.
The longer answer is possibly. Emily left long-time coach, Jared Deacon, after the 2018 season and moved to Loughborough to be coached by Benke Blomkvist, which likely explains her relatively slow times in early 2019. It’s possible that with an extra year to adapt, she may be able to break 51.00, but she is going to be 29 and has been stuck in the low/mid 51’s for a while. Optimistically, all of her relay carries at Doha were sub-51.0 so her body has been there and knows the sensation.
Characterizing her as “slow-twitch” is incorrect. Slow twitch people don’t 11.80 at age 18 in British conditions on very general training, nor do they have a 200m PB of 23.30, nor do they get 6th World U-20’s. Unlike in America, opportunities to run fast 200’s are rare in the UK so there isn’t as much emphasis placed on the event. She is not a world class 200m runner, but she certainly can’t be called slow either.
Also what do you mean by sub 51 on the relay? You have to add in upwards of .90 of a second to all relay splits to get an accurate indication of what they ran.
She's definitely nowhere near sub 51 form right now.
4x200 in 28-25 cutdown is not "all-out", it's about 800 pace for the level of athlete he is talking about. Which is a solid but not super hard session.
YMMV wrote:
4x200 in 28-25 cutdown is not "all-out", it's about 800 pace for the level of athlete he is talking about. Which is a solid but not super hard session.
This correct. I have spoken with Clyde and watched his athletes prepare for major competitions. The program is referenced is designed for 46.00 and those 200's are being run at 85% of max AT THEIR FASTEST.
MJ did do 2x200m in 22.00 with a 2min rest on a few occasions, but this isn't something that is typical in the Baylor plan.
Other than "speed makers" Clyde's athletes never get close to flat out in training.
matt_london_413 wrote:
I honestly don't think she's strong enough in the gym yet. She hasn't reached the power to weight ratio needed to run fast times below 50.6.
And it's all about power to weight ratio. The only way she's ever going to improve this is by lifting heavier.
Pure speculation and opinion on your part. Could you supply evidence that an increase in weight room strength has a direct impact on 400m performance? It's not as if she doesn't lift.
There are plenty of female 400m runners with PB's similar or even slower than her's who are breaking 51.00. Swiety-Ersetic is an obvious example. The Poles lifting program is very general.
She will be training for the Olypics so surely her sessions will be tailored to meet the demands of the 400 schedule of races in Tokyo. Everything else in her running is secondary in importance.
matt_london_413 wrote:
Knows Brits wrote:
The short answer is no.
The longer answer is possibly. Emily left long-time coach, Jared Deacon, after the 2018 season and moved to Loughborough to be coached by Benke Blomkvist, which likely explains her relatively slow times in early 2019. It’s possible that with an extra year to adapt, she may be able to break 51.00, but she is going to be 29 and has been stuck in the low/mid 51’s for a while. Optimistically, all of her relay carries at Doha were sub-51.0 so her body has been there and knows the sensation.
Characterizing her as “slow-twitch” is incorrect. Slow twitch people don’t 11.80 at age 18 in British conditions on very general training, nor do they have a 200m PB of 23.30, nor do they get 6th World U-20’s. Unlike in America, opportunities to run fast 200’s are rare in the UK so there isn’t as much emphasis placed on the event. She is not a world class 200m runner, but she certainly can’t be called slow either.
Also what do you mean by sub 51 on the relay? You have to add in upwards of .90 of a second to all relay splits to get an accurate indication of what they ran.
She's definitely nowhere near sub 51 form right now.
Her 50.1 and 50.3 splits are substantially faster than her 51.5 open best last year. Clearly she is more committed when running the relay and was running substantially faster.
ML, come on now please dont refer to Coach Hart PDF from the 90s that was put together for the USATF training manual which was adapted from his work with World Record Holder superstar MJ!!
Show me a modern programme actually being carried out with 4x200 at the 95% pace you said 4 days out from a comp! (of an elite 400m runner)
And whilst we are at it, please could you tell me what emily's power to weight ratio is?
and that of the finalists from Doho tat ran faster than her?
PS, im a 400m addict and probably have where available every 400m programme being currently used, I am a 400m runner myself and coach a reasonably good female 400m runner too :)
Hi Stew ;-)
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Hi Stew ;-)
Yo, been reading and watching but not me. I have no issue being open lol
Though intrigued
Whilst here
Was it 5 races in 6 days?
51. individuals and 50. splits, pretty good in my view
Knows Brits wrote:
matt_london_413 wrote:
I honestly don't think she's strong enough in the gym yet. She hasn't reached the power to weight ratio needed to run fast times below 50.6.
And it's all about power to weight ratio. The only way she's ever going to improve this is by lifting heavier.
Pure speculation and opinion on your part. Could you supply evidence that an increase in weight room strength has a direct impact on 400m performance? It's not as if she doesn't lift.
There are plenty of female 400m runners with PB's similar or even slower than her's who are breaking 51.00. Swiety-Ersetic is an obvious example. The Poles lifting program is very general.
She lifts but only does it mainly in the winter time. You lose strength after 1 or 2 weeks after stopping lifting. All of that lifting really doesn't do anything unless you're doing it a week before your meet.
She's naturally a slow twitch athlete so as a slow twitch athlete the only way to overcome it is to lift heavier.
Fast twitch athletes don't have to worry about lifting. They are naturally fast.
My projection for her is that she doesn't get below 51.5 this year.
So we should expect the same 51.5 to 52.7 times from her this year.
how many back to back races in Tokyo? wrote:
She will be training for the Olypics so surely her sessions will be tailored to meet the demands of the 400 schedule of races in Tokyo. Everything else in her running is secondary in importance.
Right which is why also I think she won't even go all out until it's relay time at the Olympics.
So we might not even get a chance to see what she can do in the open 400 because she might be saving herself for the Olympic relays.
matt_london_413 wrote:
Knows Brits wrote:
Pure speculation and opinion on your part. Could you supply evidence that an increase in weight room strength has a direct impact on 400m performance? It's not as if she doesn't lift.
There are plenty of female 400m runners with PB's similar or even slower than her's who are breaking 51.00. Swiety-Ersetic is an obvious example. The Poles lifting program is very general.
She lifts but only does it mainly in the winter time. You lose strength after 1 or 2 weeks after stopping lifting. All of that lifting really doesn't do anything unless you're doing it a week before your meet.
She's naturally a slow twitch athlete so as a slow twitch athlete the only way to overcome it is to lift heavier.
Fast twitch athletes don't have to worry about lifting. They are naturally fast.
My projection for her is that she doesn't get below 51.5 this year.
So we should expect the same 51.5 to 52.7 times from her this year.
Once again, you make assertive statements that are lacking in both substance and knowledge.
First, it has been demonstrated that she is NOT a "slow-twitch athletes" as you keep asserting. She was an accomplished 100/200 runner before moving to 400 which you seem unable to grasp. Your definition of slow twitch clearly needs adjusting.
Second, please outline her lifting program which you apparently believe that you have knowledge of. I know that when she was coached by Jared Deacon there was lifting well into the competitive season. Also please cite the research that confirms your your claims regarding lifting.
Lastly, we're all still waiting for the examples of accomplished 400m runners who's coaches have prescribed the 4x200m at 95% in the competition taper.
This is hilarious and over simplistic. Interesting to know if YOU KNOW what she actually lifts in the gym and what would be the important exercises and what would be the levels to reach? Interesting to know.