Seriously. I understand that their times are ridiculously fast and it would be a thought. But maybe said person has crazy good genetics and incredible work ethic. Why does it automatically go to doping and a group of people nullify the performance
Why does everyone automatically assume fast people dope
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Because so many have been found to have doped or hang around coaches, docs, agents and other athletes who seemed to be connected to doping or alleged to be.
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People don’t like to accept that others are naturally better than them and only one person can win any race so this forum is filled with a bunch of losers.
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I wonder why people think that competing without PEDs makes it fair/level the playing field?
Think about it for a second, people are born with vastly different bodies, one could run subelite times without even training, another can't run at all. Is that fair? Some people are so poor that they never can afford to eat enough to satisfy hunger and some have enough money to hire best coaches and nutritionists for their kid. For some reason we don't see rules regulating food intake and "financial fair play" in athletics. But when a drug lets you recover faster it ends on a WADA list because unfair! Not because it's harmful, if they only listed harmful drugs their list would be much, much shorter. No, somehow taking stuff like meldonium makes you "dirty cheater". But you can use caffeine and be clean. And why is that? Because a bunch of old farts who have nothing to do with sports besides getting their paychecks decided so. -
Luv2Run wrote:
Because so many have been found to have doped or hang around coaches, docs, agents and other athletes who seemed to be connected to doping or alleged to be.
+1
And because scientists have revealed that blood doping alone makes the elite 2-4% faster, and 15-20% use blood doping (and apparently others use other PEDs, see WADA's lists).
So to run a world record clean, you need to be evidently 2-4% better than all the hard training and talented dopers of all times worldwide, that are unfortunately abundant. Highly unlikely but not necessarily impossible. -
come on people wrote:
Seriously. I understand that their times are ridiculously fast and it would be a thought. But maybe said person has crazy good genetics and incredible work ethic. Why does it automatically go to doping and a group of people nullify the performance
Because it takes a doper to beat the doped time, which is the record.
Q. give one wr record inline without a doper didn't break it. From 100m till marathon you will not find one. That is why. -
come on people wrote:
Seriously. I understand that their times are ridiculously fast and it would be a thought. But maybe said person has crazy good genetics and incredible work ethic. Why does it automatically go to doping and a group of people nullify the performance
Because there is marginal talent difference between the best in the world. Doping cam make a 3 min difference in a marathon for an elite. That is bigger than the talent difference. Who's going to be faster the guy doping or the guy who is clean? Obviously the doper. -
The body has limits and certain performances cannot be achieved without the use of PEDS.
This is why they are called elites. -
It's not just fast people who dope.
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come on people wrote:
Seriously. I understand that their times are ridiculously fast and it would be a thought. But maybe said person has crazy good genetics and incredible work ethic. Why does it automatically go to doping and a group of people nullify the performance
Why don't you get a one way ticket to Iten and find out for yourself. -
Name one fast person who has not doped
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can’t believe this wasn’t the first response:
Racism.
Many whites believe that blacks are a subspecies that is worse athletically, and that they could only beat a white athlete by cheating.
If someone beats you in a race, he is the better runner. If he doped and beat you, guess what? He's still better. -
can’t believe this wasn’t the first response wrote:
can’t believe this wasn’t the first response:Racism.Many whites believe that blacks are a subspecies that is worse athletically, and that they could only beat a white athlete by cheating.If someone beats you in a race, he is the better runner. If he doped and beat you, guess what? He's still better.
Actually, most, I not all, racists have no problem saying blacks are better athletes. It actually confirms their beliefs. -
@can't believe wrote:
can’t believe this wasn’t the first response wrote:can’t believe this wasn’t the first response:Racism.Many whites believe that blacks are a subspecies that is worse athletically, and that they could only beat a white athlete by cheating.If someone beats you in a race, he is the better runner. If he doped and beat you, guess what? He's still better.
Actually, most, I not all, racists have no problem saying blacks are better athletes. It actually confirms their beliefs.
That was demonstrated by the Nazi propaganda minister Goebbels, after observing the superiority of Jesse Owens at the Berlin Olympics, and noting the "unfair" advantage that blacks have over whites in sports. -
Darby wrote:
I wonder why people think that competing without PEDs makes it fair/level the playing field?Think about it for a second, people are born with vastly different bodies, one could run subelite times without even training, another can't run at all.
Everyone who runs can run subelite times (sub elite literally means worse than elite). -
can’t believe this wasn’t the first response wrote:
can’t believe this wasn’t the first response:Racism.Many whites believe that blacks are a subspecies that is worse athletically, and that they could only beat a white athlete by cheating.
Never mind your claim that "many whites believe" this. Do any whites believe this?
Similarly are we all sexist for acknowledging that the fastest women will be significantly behind the fastest men? -
Ben Johnson
Linford Christie
Asafa Powell
Rashid Ramzi
Abel Kiprop
Justin Gatlin
Marion Jones
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We see athlete after athlete, year after year evade positive tests only to find out they were doping the whole time.
We can never prove that an athlete is clean.
So when we see people achieving similar times, we assume they are doping.
A natural response when you follow the sport. -
Its not fast people so much as the fastest people. And time after time they are proven to be correct.
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Ever heard of innocent until proven guilty? You just got it backwards.
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From this 2017 paper:
The estimated prevalence of past-year doping was 43.6% (95% confidence interval 39.4–47.9) at WCA and 57.1% (52.4–61.8) at PAG. The estimated prevalence of past-year supplement use at PAG was 70.1% (65.6–74.7%). Sensitivity analyses, assessing the robustness of these estimates under numerous hypothetical scenarios of intentional or unintentional noncompliance by respondents, suggested that we were unlikely to have overestimated the true prevalence of doping.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs40279-017-0765-4
Given that it is estimated that nearly 1 in 2 athletes are doped, and that PED use and blood doping do improve performance, it is a reasonable assumption that top athletes are on something.
Plus there’s also the fancy bears leaks which showed that many top athletes had ABPs flagged as “likely doping”, including Rupp and Jager, so doping isn’t just a Kenya problem, it’s an everywhere problem.
