runnER/DR wrote:
nope
Agreed. Nope.
runnER/DR wrote:
nope
Agreed. Nope.
Can he beat Max King's 12th place finish in the 2016 Trials or 19th in 2012? Officially doubting it. You can massive miles, it's about running fast on the day.
http://www.marathonguide.com/results/browse.cfm?RL=1&MIDD=5302160213&Gen=M&Begin=1&End=100&Max=105
http://www.marathonguide.com/results/browse.cfm?RL=1&MIDD=3563120114&Gen=M&Begin=1&End=85&Max=85
Can you not read?
"The officers were not fired for cheating[.]"
4:32-436 mile repeats four on sawdust loop.
The A group was 10 seconds faster per repeat and did six reps. these guys had 1330 to 14.00 5K.
this is a gap of 40 plus seconds in a 5k between groups,
regarding the 80% rule, this is a direct quote from Eliud Kipchoge, and so many other top athletes iike El G.
the guy that does that extra mileage and tries to be perfect for the olympic games learns that is a very bad idea.
like in New Zealand, back in the day, they call 3/4 effort in a work out, that is where you are suffering a lot, and is really not so much different from race pace, except you don't have the adrenalin going, and you have a bit left at the finish.
and 100% of your capability in training, training constantly at 100% means you are going to break down for sure. and by definition.
every veteran knows this, though they might have had success for a number of years before they learned what is optimal.
DNS or DNF
He didn't intentionally pace it to the millisecond lol he made it by the skin of his teeth. That being said he could have easily just ran a sub 2:19 marathon instead.
80% is extremely easy, most professionals workout at 80% or greater during base phase. For example, 82% of a 4:20 mile is 5:17. Most people in 4:20 mile shape are doing mile repeats faster than 5:17 pace during base phase and feeling smooth and easy about it. Obviously no one is training at 100% year around. 80% of current fitness is considered aerobic work.
Shunpo wrote:
80% is extremely easy, most professionals workout at 80% or greater during base phase. For example, 82% of a 4:20 mile is 5:17. Most people in 4:20 mile shape are doing mile repeats faster than 5:17 pace during base phase and feeling smooth and easy about it. Obviously no one is training at 100% year around. 80% of current fitness is considered aerobic work.
Then 80% elite runners talk about isn't really off pace as much as effort. Look up lydiards or bowermans 3/4 effort things. They weren't at 75% pace. They were at like 95% pace. Eluid is talking about things like doing mile repeats in 4:20 instead of 4:15. He could do the workout at 4:15 but the slightly tougher workout isn't worth it.
For distance racers backing off slightly makes things a lot easier. Do an 8 mile run at HM pace during training is a very hard workout. Do 8 miles at MP and you are talking about something that is easy to handle. Those ~10s make all the difference.
The rationale of the fan boys is entertaining. Guy is running 40-50 miles more than his competitors in the marathon trials because he is training for ultras, not the marathon. It's like saying that somebody doing 10k workouts is going to go out and beat a bunch of 1500 runners in a mile race. There is a reason that most marathon runners are doing 110-120 miles per week (you know, guys like Kipchoge and others). One must also question the wisdom of abruptly increasing one's mileage from 120-130 miles per week to 150-175 miles per week. It's a recipe for an injury. Guy went straight to 176 miles when the most he had run was 140 miles a week in the past two years.
95% of pace is in no way shape or form a 3/4 effort or 80% effort. 95% of pace is a peaking workout and done at the end of the season. You’re getting confused with the simple concept of: its better to walk away from 4:20 mile repeats healthy and recovered than 4:15 repeats injured and overtaxed. Suggesting elites or anyone keeps their workouts to 80% effort or pace is nonsense.
Nah I figured it out I thought he was old because I didn't follow elite running until recently and he just looks old as sh*t in a Hoka commercial on youtube
No the dude is just insulting others for fun.
No Walmsley fanboy wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
In his quote posted above, he seems to believe he could make the Olympic marathon team. Doing so would be far, far more impressive than winning Comrades and would give credibility to those claiming elite runners couldn't beat him in an ultra.
It would be more impressive. But this is not happening.
He has chances at the Comrades Marathon but only if he doesn't screw up his preparations.
He is pedigree for sure but I cannot see him winning Comrades on debut. He is an aggressive racer and the Comrades down run can be cruel. Bongmusa and Edward will be waiting for him!
comedyrelief wrote:
There is a reason that most marathon runners are doing 110-120 miles per week (you know, guys like Kipchoge and others).
Eliud Kipchoge and guys like Sondre Moen are running up to 140 miles a week at high altitude.
[quote]WhatDaF wrote:
Can you not read?
"The officers were not fired for cheating[.]"[/quote
Are you suggesting the fired officers did nothing wrong?
CuanWalker wrote:
He is pedigree for sure but I cannot see him winning Comrades on debut. He is an aggressive racer and the Comrades down run can be cruel. Bongmusa and Edward will be waiting for him!
I think his chances for winning Comrades are pretty high. Of course it all depends how the day works out but he has real chances there.
But in Atlanta? No way.
Baltsu wrote:
comedyrelief wrote:
There is a reason that most marathon runners are doing 110-120 miles per week (you know, guys like Kipchoge and others).
Eliud Kipchoge and guys like Sondre Moen are running up to 140 miles a week at high altitude.
What is your source on that? Everything I have read on him says consistent 110-120 mpw:
https://www.runnersworld.co.za/training/kipchoges-training-secrets-revealed/https://runningscience.co.za/elite-athletes-training-log/eliud-kipchoge/https://erichfelbabel.com/2017/09/21/eliud-kipchoge-full-training-log-leading-up-to-marathon-world-record-attempt/Most he runs in a week is 185 km, or 115 miles.
https://www.scienceofrunning.com/2016/11/arthur-lydiard-the-father-of-modern-training.html?v=7516fd43adaaShunpo wrote:
95% of pace is in no way shape or form a 3/4 effort or 80% effort. 95% of pace is a peaking workout and done at the end of the season. You’re getting confused with the simple concept of: its better to walk away from 4:20 mile repeats healthy and recovered than 4:15 repeats injured and overtaxed. Suggesting elites or anyone keeps their workouts to 80% effort or pace is nonsense.
. You can debate if this is a remotely accurate way of talking about the problem but it is what a lot of people use when talking about effort in this context.
https://inews.co.uk/news/long-reads/eliud-kipchoge-two-hour-marathon-vienna-ineos-159-challenge-805357comedyrelief wrote:
Baltsu wrote:
Eliud Kipchoge and guys like Sondre Moen are running up to 140 miles a week at high altitude.
What is your source on that? Everything I have read on him says consistent 110-120 mpw:
https://www.runnersworld.co.za/training/kipchoges-training-secrets-revealed/https://runningscience.co.za/elite-athletes-training-log/eliud-kipchoge/https://erichfelbabel.com/2017/09/21/eliud-kipchoge-full-training-log-leading-up-to-marathon-world-record-attempt/Most he runs in a week is 185 km, or 115 miles.
among others. You are looking at the last 6 weeks of training. I wouldn't be shocked to see a base phase before that where he runs 10% more for a lot of elites.
At a high level people have tried mileage well above the more normal 110-125 range for at least 50 years now. You don't see any abnormal number of breakthroughs from people upping the mileage.
This guy ran 2:11 off of 110-120miles
Full time scientist too
https://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/a29578084/matt-mcdonald-olympic-trials-qualifier/
would chemical assistance help? Higher miles?