Former World Record Holder in Marathon Wilson Kipsang Provisionally Suspended

Apologies for the typos but I'm very tired :)

The Stablemaste wrote:

Apologies for the typos but I'm very tired :)

Did you know "Stablemaste" is a euphemism for male penis?

bumpety bump bump bump wrote:

Who was his coach? Didn't he swear that nobody he had ever coached would be caught doping?

"Not even any vitamins or mineral supplements" in this interview...parroting the lines...

https://runningscience.co.za/elite-athletes-training-log/wilson-kipsang/

Kipsang was not caught doping.

Yeah right. If it looks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck...

The Stablemaste wrote:

There's loads more but pole pole, kidda.

You were on here last year, insulting people left and right, showing off with your Swahili tidbits.
Your threats and "inside knowledge" then turned out to be void.
Are you going to do things differently this time? The real fans of real athletics would appreciate it.
Thanks.

If not, 2:01:39/10

jkjkjkjkjk wrote:

bumpety bump bump bump wrote:Who was his coach? Didn't he swear that nobody he had ever coached would be caught doping? "Not even any vitamins or mineral supplements" in this interview...parroting the lines...https://runningscience.co.za/elite-athletes-training-log/wilson-kipsang/

Kipsang was not caught doping.

Let’s see what he tells the media tomorrow.

jkjkjkjkjk wrote:

The Stablemaste wrote:There's loads more but pole pole, kidda.

You were on here last year, insulting people left and right, showing off with your Swahili tidbits.Your threats and "inside knowledge" then turned out to be void.Are you going to do things differently this time? The real fans of real athletics would appreciate it.Thanks.If not, 2:01:39/10

Agree, as I said, he's bullshitting. How often over the years have we had so called insiders come on LR and say this is going to happen and that's going to happen, but they've got to hold back with names, details, etc for whatever reason, then nada, zilch, zero. On the law of averages he's going to get lucky this time, even El Keniano knows there's going be more Kenyans pinged in the near future.

I'm curious what the tampering was because to me that is just as bad a positive if it was indeed tampering.

It's amazing how often the specific things I've heard regarding drug cheats from others in the sport ended up being confirmed later on or becoming public. A few years ago at a race a guy who had finished up a training stint in Kenya told me that when the drug testers would come out Kipsang would disappear for the day or night. They never told me anything regarding him using PED's, just he had a habit of dodging tests. There's general rumors or suspicions people have some of who do and don't end up getting busted later on. But it seems like a ton of the individuals I've heard specific things about from people I trust have gotten caught. Whether it be someone like Kipsang, Salazaar, or further down the chain a Mo Trafeh or Christian Hesch.

Stablemaste (or Master),

You are LONG on GENERALITIES and SHORT on SPECIFICS.

You've said a lot but you've said nothing.

Twambie maneno. Tupe habari au unyamaze.

Please stop meandering like River Nyando. .....or Kerio river.

Shukran.

El Keniano wrote:

Is that guy British? Anyway, I’ll admit I was wrong in posting months ago that there would be no more top-tier busts in Kenya because they’re tested more than anyone else, and Kipsang is a big name but hey, it’s still not a failed test and he wasn’t competing anymore, so I’m still right.

El K,

I made a vow that I would never ever defend someone who's been accused of doping.

I burntmy fingers here once defending Marion Jones (who is not from Laikipia like myself).

I had total faith and belief in Jones until she admitted to the clear or flaxseed or whatever it was.

Now, I am not saying that Kipsang has doped because he hasn't tested positive but I don't want to go headlong into this story until we learn all the details.

That said, this story stinks! There is something fishy here that makes no sense but as the coach here from the UK said, (that he has details) let's wait for whatever comes up.

I find it hard to believe that Kisang would wreck himself after almost a year of inactivity and worse still, at 37!

Everything should make sense but something here doesn't.

I will hold my horse for now.

Inaonekana kunaweza kuwa na fitina ya aina fulani hapa.

Just my thoughts.

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt here pending more information. This is devastating news. Makes no sense at this stage in his career for sure.

jkjkjkjkjk wrote:

Kipsang was not caught doping.

Violating antidoping rules =doping

El Keniano wrote:

Lost hero wrote:



PLEASE don't tell me that the RAC (Rongai Athletics Club) will be incriminated...

No Coevett. The RAC is just outside Nairobi, not even close to athletics hotbeds like Eldoret and Iten deep in the Rift Valley. Nairobi, in case you skipped geography class, is probably the easiest city to access in Africa, given its hub status for much of the continent.

I'm not coevette, if you were referring to my post. I'm pretty downtrodden currently with Kipsang's prelim ban. By far, he is my favorite elite international runner, and I was able to meet him two years ago while staying at the HATC- incredibly kind and gracious. As stated, I sincerely hope that Ouma's group (RAC) is not on this supposed list.

Distance Fan26.2 wrote:

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt here pending more information. This is devastating news. Makes no sense at this stage in his career for sure.

Agree this seems very strange to me. Sounds like some sort of vendetta to get him, although that doesn't mean he's not guilty.

sub-10 what

and what makes you think kipchoge's on anything? are there any "greats" you aren't suspicious of?

Career dopers won't stop doping until they are retired, regardless of whether or not they've already started to slow down. And yes, dopers slow down too, sooner or later.
Kipsang a cheat? Not exactly unexpected. Nothing surprising here: some cheats slip up sooner, others later, and again others never.

casual obsever wrote:

Career dopers won't stop doping until they are retired, regardless of whether or not they've already started to slow down. And yes, dopers slow down too, sooner or later. Kipsang a cheat? Not exactly unexpected. Nothing surprising here: some cheats slip up sooner, others later, and again others never.

+1
Most will never get caught. Russians are getting caught because of the whistleblowers. Kenyans are getting caught because of the increased & more thorough testing done by the new WADA-approved PLK lab in Nairobi.

Nothing surprising here; lower-tier Kenyans as well as top-level performing Olympic-caliber Kenyans are all getting caught. It's as widespread & prevalent as other high-doping nations (e.g., Morocco, Turkey, Ukraine, Belarus, etc.).

At least Kipsang was trying to encourage the Kenyan government in a stronger fight against doping. ?

https://youtu.be/ouTIlKTMHSc

The LRC article says they heard from a pro runner suspicions in 2017. Can LRC tell us who? Are there others?

If verified, this sport's gone TDF for me. Watch, but suspend belief.

No, he was not caught doping, but there is both whereabouts failure and tampering and we are told that there is other proof and that other athletes will be caught. Indeed, that World Athletics has suppressed Kenyan positives in the past. It would be great if for once all the predictions about massive cover-ups actually come to pass. Usually, we hear lots of names will come out and they don't. My belief is that all of the top marathoners, the sub 2:04 guys, and more, have been doping for a long time. When you realize what went into a sub 2:04, near the end of his career, a 26:22 guy finally gets there, and he was surely doped (hate to say it, because like the current world record holder he seemed like a Mensch), and then large #'s of those with no track credentials start doing it. Kipsang was the most consistent. Kimetto formerly with the same coach, and Mutais, with the great, great times way back. Look at the group mentioned in that article:
"fellow elite squad marathoners (Geoffrey, Abel Kirui, Emmanuel Mutai, Keitany, Edna, Florence Kiplagat, Rita and Prisca Jeptoo"
Few positive tests would only indicate, limited testing until recently and with the Dutch agent, expert masking and probably bribes (remember that the previous IAAF head was caught extorting athletes who'd tested positive, including Cakir ($500k in her case!).