In the interest of cleaning up the sport, these are the names that need to become public.
Oh please. " In the intereste of cleaning up the sport" is vacuous. The more you politicize the drug issue, the worse you make it. You're just pandering to the fantasy of supposed efficacy of these supposed performance enhancers and igoring basic effing physiology.
Where is this extra energy supposed to come from and how do you propose it is processed in the body? It's nonsense and you all have your heads buried in the sand about this, but think you have superior knowledge? You're all just reinforcing the ignorance and making the problem worse.
It comes from the same place as before but more and faster Like a car on nitrous with a hood scoop. To put it in terms that an idiot can understand.
Without foreigners Kenyans would have never been heard of at all.
We’ll also see if Kenya won’t be able to produce world-beaters without them, as they take their skills back to their home countries and start churning out World champions from Europe and North America.
I think doping/cheating is rampant everywhere in sports. However the foreign coaches won't possibly have large numbers of champions if they go home. They won't be able to find or coordinate a "stable" for lack of a critical mass of people so poor and desperate as to dedicate themselves to work , live and dope like Kenyans, under some stablemaster, for the sake of distance running success.
It's a little harder to be a sleazy stablemaster just farming the population for running talent in most of Europe and America. The populaton isn't that interested. The environment is not as supportive. You can't even expect people to lose weight. Look at the extremes Salazar, Nike and Dr. Brown had to go to., They couldn't just put the crew on EPO , and also, look what happened to Salazar.
I have no political affiliations or covert political agenda, unlike you.
I have no political affiliations - I am not American - though I recognize a "clown" when I see one (as does the leader of Iran, apparently), and I have no covert agenda - I am quite open about it: modern day sport is rife with doping. So - along with your understanding of the science of doping - you are wrong on every point. You need more facts and less religion.
Your political affilition is the anti doping agenda, which is counter productive, it just panders to the stupidity of the religious conviction of a belief in the impossible, beyond the laws of physics. You people talk about 'aerobic development' in a naive and pseudoscientific way ignoring the neural development of the skill of extending a specific pace. You are in denial because you have been preaching this way for so long.
How great would the great coaches working in Kenya be if they were in their own countries, coaching Europeans and Americans etc? And what about the agents too?
The point about young women being doped by husbands is important too. (This will become more evident in the forthcoming months.)
There are many excellent Kenyan coaches; does Kenya need foreign coaches? No.
Surely, the right thing to do now is for foreign coaches and agents to leave the Kenyan runners for the established and the up-coming Kenyan coaches/agents.
Oh please. " In the intereste of cleaning up the sport" is vacuous. The more you politicize the drug issue, the worse you make it. You're just pandering to the fantasy of supposed efficacy of these supposed performance enhancers and igoring basic effing physiology.
Where is this extra energy supposed to come from and how do you propose it is processed in the body? It's nonsense and you all have your heads buried in the sand about this, but think you have superior knowledge? You're all just reinforcing the ignorance and making the problem worse.
I didn't say anything about extra energy or performance in general. I was thinking more about the negative energy surrounding the reputational damage caused by all the negative press that comes with provisional bans and anti-doping rule violations. It's not just about the athletes but the enablers.
The enablers and the anti-doping crew are equally to blame. And I list exercise physiologists among the guilty. Exercise physiology is stuck in the 1930s with this misinterpretation of what aerobic conditioning really is. We all have an immutable thermodynamic framework within which to perform every task and 99.9% of ex phys geeks are comepletely clueless about this.
I have no political affiliations - I am not American - though I recognize a "clown" when I see one (as does the leader of Iran, apparently), and I have no covert agenda - I am quite open about it: modern day sport is rife with doping. So - along with your understanding of the science of doping - you are wrong on every point. You need more facts and less religion.
Your political affilition is the anti doping agenda, which is counter productive, it just panders to the stupidity of the religious conviction of a belief in the impossible, beyond the laws of physics. You people talk about 'aerobic development' in a naive and pseudoscientific way ignoring the neural development of the skill of extending a specific pace. You are in denial because you have been preaching this way for so long.
You had better tell the IOC, the IAAF and indeed every other sporting body that their efforts towards eradicating doping are misdirected because doping doesn't actually work. That's quite apart from the legion of a scientists making the stuff, coaches and trainers supplying it, and athletes using it. Millions of dollars wasted. You know better than all of them.
When Kipsang turned up to London 2 years ago at the start line i knew he was a doper. If you had seen the shape he was in 7 weeks previously when he could only manage 5 x 400 reps in Iten and as well as being seriously overweight. Rumours at the time all had him and Kiprop doped to the eyeballs.
With the recent sanction of Ekiru, the fall of Rhonex, and now the disappearance of Kiplimo, is it time to begin to take the conspiracy theories floated in this thread as serious?
This is so stupid, he scratches from one race and now you lump him in with guys with bans and suspensions? What about Athing Mu, Jake Wightman, and the many others who have scratched this season.
Apparently it isn’t possible for an African to have any issues outside of running.
With the recent sanction of Ekiru, the fall of Rhonex, and now the disappearance of Kiplimo, is it time to begin to take the conspiracy theories floated in this thread as serious?
This is so stupid, he scratches from one race and now you lump him in with guys with bans and suspensions? What about Athing Mu, Jake Wightman, and the many others who have scratched this season.
Apparently it isn’t possible for an African to have any issues outside of running.
^Totally, “the disappearance of Kiplimo” at this point amounts to scratching one race. He raced a DL meet 18 days ago…
With the recent sanction of Ekiru, the fall of Rhonex, and now the disappearance of Kiplimo, is it time to begin to take the conspiracy theories floated in this thread as serious?
This is so stupid, he scratches from one race and now you lump him in with guys with bans and suspensions? What about Athing Mu, Jake Wightman, and the many others who have scratched this season.
Apparently it isn’t possible for an African to have any issues outside of running.
I think it’s an honest question. He went from 12:41 and a narrow loss to skipping his very next event with a nebulous “personal problems” reason. Neither Mu nor Wightman did that. Given all the secret bans and shady deals that seem to go on behind the scenes, it makes me nervous. When an athlete “in the form of his life” acutely scratches for a non-injury purpose, history has shown that it’s not a good sign. Make no mistake: like many here I’m a Kiplimo fan.
This is so stupid, he scratches from one race and now you lump him in with guys with bans and suspensions? What about Athing Mu, Jake Wightman, and the many others who have scratched this season.
Apparently it isn’t possible for an African to have any issues outside of running.
^Totally, “the disappearance of Kiplimo” at this point amounts to scratching one race. He raced a DL meet 18 days ago…