Former World Record Holder in Marathon Wilson Kipsang Provisionally Suspended

The week is almost done, has Stablemaster delivered on any of his promises?

Anyway, I just want the foreigners gone forever. They’ve been terrible for Kenyan athletics and reputation. Nothing good’s come from any of them. Hopefully the likes of Stablemaster can move their camps elsewhere, and the Kenyan government can provide some gentle encouragement and persuasion if they’re unsure whether or not it’s time to leave.

Drug Religion wrote:

I figured it out before he was elected. You are a bit slow

That's understandable when it takes a certain kind of mind to think like a Trump supporter. Like yours. An understanding of science has apparently passed you by.

El Keniano wrote:

The week is almost done, has Stablemaster delivered on any of his promises?

In less than two weeks, we've had two super-busts (I understand why you're hungry for me, but don't gobble: you'll get indigestion).

As I posted before, the carnage is coming and it's coming soon. (Note: obviously, I don't control how and when these busts are released.)

When the busts come, you'll see that most are from early 2019. They were withheld for legal and 'tactical' reasons, but over the next few months, they'll be released (keep an eye on the dates).

As for me delivering on promises, for a number of reasons, I'm not giving any names or details, especially on here. But very soon, you will be able to 'read all about it' and I'll let you have the link. (I know that doesn't sate your desperation for blood, but be patient.)

Coevette posted about a Kenyan running away from testers. Over the last two weeks, in Iten, a Kenyan woman (top runner) did a similar thing: avoided ADAK testers, several times. Watch out for the suspension (it's a big one).

Regarding me and other foreigners, with the exception of a few Europeans, I think you'll find that we are the ones helping the local running communities. We bring in the coin that helps many micro-businesses to flourish. We don't host runners in the KV or Lornha's yard and help the wealthy Kenyans and Europeans; we bring money into the local communities and invest the small profits into Kenyan runners. We pay for their accommodation, food, kit, travel expenses, etc.

It is, however, the big names and top-end Kenyans that are spoiling it for the rest of the runners and communities. When the ban comes, and come it will (very soon), it's the hundreds of clean 2:08-2:14 guys and 2:28-2:35 women that will be hit hardest. The runners won't be able to go 'outside' and race in Europe, the US, and China , etc. Yes, I know many B-string Kenyans are doping and getting caught but it's the big names that will prove Kenya's downfall.

You don't want 'foreigners' in Kenya but do you want Kenyans going 'outside' to race and win money so they can improve their lives? So that they can come 'home' and buy a shamba? Or, do you want to keep it so all Kenyan runners can only race in Kenya? I suspect you want the best of both worlds: foreigners out and Kenyans allowed to race abroad.

As I've mentioned before, I'm a fan of Kenyan distance running. If everybody were clean, I believe Kenya would still have the best runners, by a long way. And while doping is both crude and sophisticated in Kenya (lower-tier runners - crude; the better runners more sophisticated) Kenyans are going outside, cheating, and stealing money from other runners. It's not just prize money, it's the kick-backs that come from winning/placing in big marathons/races. This is one of the reasons why Kenya will be banned. Already, it's getting harder for Kenyans to race outside as race organisers are sick of Kenyans 'hustling' (if you're a Kenyan, you'll know what I mean).

I know you're like at a kid at Christmas and you want everything now, but stay cool, kidda, it'll come and when it comes, it'll be worth the wait for everybody (it's not gonna be pretty but it'll start the process of cleaning up this filthy sport). And surely, that's what we all want: a clean sport...

casual obsever wrote:

Yes, all within a few days: Kipsang banned for three missed tests plus tampering, Kipketer banned for three missed tests, and now a third runner literally running away from the tester.

I thought we had established WADA's definition of a "whereabouts failure": "a filing failure or a missed test".

"neutral observer" -- lol.

The Stablemaster wrote:

Regarding me and other foreigners, with the exception of a few Europeans, ...

And surely, that's what we all want: a clean sport...

In the interest of cleaning up the sport, these are the names that need to become public.

Agreed. The runners' names will be released through the appropriate channels. Regarding the coaches and agents, my understanding is that moves are afoot to tackle this issue too., however, El K is in for a surprise ( I think many will be surprised).

CGTN Africa news brief on Kipsang:

https://youtu.be/dD2d1-H3xP8

NTV report on the state of doping in Kenya. AIU says both unsophisticated and sophisticated doping exists:

https://youtu.be/_ojYacPGx

rekrunner wrote:

I thought we had established WADA's definition of a "whereabouts failure": "a filing failure or a missed test".

Yes - but that's a purely academic, pointless distinction. Both action and punishment is the same for any three whereabouts failures: the athlete was three times not found where he said he'd be, and that leads to a ban.

So one routinely simplifies three whereabouts failures to three missed tests.

Example: see the many reports about Coleman, even in your holy BBC:

But of course when I do that, that's what you jump on, trolling me again and again, just when you - falsely and unsuccessfully - argued that cheat Salazar didn't instruct his athletes to lie when writing "When asked about an infusion, you are to say no." Guess what, he got banned despite your pointless obfuscation attempts.

El Keniano wrote:

Anyway, I just want the foreigners gone forever. They’ve been terrible for Kenyan athletics and reputation. Nothing good’s come from any of them. Hopefully the likes of Stablemaster can move their camps elsewhere, and the Kenyan government can provide some gentle encouragement and persuasion if they’re unsure whether or not it’s time to leave.

Without foreigners Kenyans would have never been heard of at all.

yes, muzungu's are responsible for doping, age cheating, fake results, bad results of Kenyan athletes abroad, unbuild stadia, potholes, overpopulation, poverty, malaria, aids, bad education, locust and etc.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Drug Religion wrote:

I figured it out before he was elected. You are a bit slow

That's understandable when it takes a certain kind of mind to think like a Trump supporter. Like yours. An understanding of science has apparently passed you by.

I have no political affiliations or covert political agenda, unlike you.

Of course it is not a pointless distinction, especially for someone who considers himself "neutral" (lol). Filing failures can be one of many failures to meet the filing requirements, and doesn't necessarily require that a test be missed. It would be better to say "whereabouts failure" to avoid being misleading. With respect to Salazar, it wasn't yet established that "infusion" was actually a lie, rather than an accurate description of the method of consumption. But in any case, whether it was a lie or not was irrelevant to the sanction, as was the distinction, as both injections and infusions are subject to the 50ml limit in question.

casual obsever wrote:

Yes - but that's a purely academic, pointless distinction. Both action and punishment is the same for any three whereabouts failures: the athlete was three times not found where he said he'd be, and that leads to a ban.

So one routinely simplifies three whereabouts failures to three missed tests.

Example: see the many reports about Coleman, even in your holy BBC:

But of course when I do that, that's what you jump on, trolling me again and again, just when you - falsely and unsuccessfully - argued that cheat Salazar didn't instruct his athletes to lie when writing "When asked about an infusion, you are to say no." Guess what, he got banned despite your pointless obfuscation attempts.

rekrunner wrote:

The Stablemaster wrote:

Regarding me and other foreigners, with the exception of a few Europeans, ...

And surely, that's what we all want: a clean sport...

In the interest of cleaning up the sport, these are the names that need to become public.

Such as this?

rekrunner wrote:

The Stablemaster wrote:

Regarding me and other foreigners, with the exception of a few Europeans, ...

And surely, that's what we all want: a clean sport...

In the interest of cleaning up the sport, these are the names that need to become public.

Oh please. " In the intereste of cleaning up the sport" is vacuous. The more you politicize the drug issue, the worse you make it. You're just pandering to the fantasy of supposed efficacy of these supposed performance enhancers and igoring basic effing physiology.

Where is this extra energy supposed to come from and how do you propose it is processed in the body? It's nonsense and you all have your heads buried in the sand about this, but think you have superior knowledge? You're all just reinforcing the ignorance and making the problem worse.

physics defiant wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

Anyway, I just want the foreigners gone forever. They’ve been terrible for Kenyan athletics and reputation. Nothing good’s come from any of them. Hopefully the likes of Stablemaster can move their camps elsewhere, and the Kenyan government can provide some gentle encouragement and persuasion if they’re unsure whether or not it’s time to leave.

Without foreigners Kenyans would have never been heard of at all.

I’ve yet to meet any that can be trusted. They need to go, every single one of them. Before they flooded the Rift Valley, Kenyan runners didn’t even know what supplements were. I especially loathe the white saviour complex spouted by the likes of Stablemaster (“l’m helping these people, they need me, they’d be lost without me) when it’s people like him, and attitudes like his, that are a large part of the problem.

Here’s what I hope happens: if it’s true as he says that Kenya will be banned from Tokyo, I think that will finally jolt the Kenyans into action. Hopefully a backlash with athletes, politicians and the local population realising it’s time, as a country, to emulate Ethiopia. We’ll also see if Kenya won’t be able to produce world-beaters without them, as they take their skills back to their home countries and start churning out World champions from Europe and North America.

Drug Religion wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

That's understandable when it takes a certain kind of mind to think like a Trump supporter. Like yours. An understanding of science has apparently passed you by.

I have no political affiliations or covert political agenda, unlike you.

I have no political affiliations - I am not American - though I recognize a "clown" when I see one (as does the leader of Iran, apparently), and I have no covert agenda - I am quite open about it: modern day sport is rife with doping. So - along with your understanding of the science of doping - you are wrong on every point. You need more facts and less religion.

Drug Religion wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

In the interest of cleaning up the sport, these are the names that need to become public.

Oh please. " In the intereste of cleaning up the sport" is vacuous. The more you politicize the drug issue, the worse you make it. You're just pandering to the fantasy of supposed efficacy of these supposed performance enhancers and igoring basic effing physiology.

Where is this extra energy supposed to come from and how do you propose it is processed in the body? It's nonsense and you all have your heads buried in the sand about this, but think you have superior knowledge? You're all just reinforcing the ignorance and making the problem worse.

I didn't say anything about extra energy or performance in general. I was thinking more about the negative energy surrounding the reputational damage caused by all the negative press that comes with provisional bans and anti-doping rule violations. It's not just about the athletes but the enablers.

lost hero wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

In the interest of cleaning up the sport, these are the names that need to become public.

Such as this?

No, not athletes. Their names will be made public. I was talking about foreign coaches and agents.